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I guess this is a 'woe is me' post, but I am so sad about what AI is doing to all creative job roles. Be it copy editing, proof reading, songwriting, authors, journalists, etc.
All creative jobs are seemingly viewed as replaceable. The minute you remove humanity from creativity, you are giving in.
So, as a shameless plug, here's the last song my band released, nearly 18 months ago. It has just over 150 views. Pitiful. There are so many more creatives out there, who are decent at what they do, and have much to give, but will never get a look in, if AI is allowed to go unchecked. Feeling very sad for our industry, right now.
Oh, AI, you are killing the arts... on 12:36 - Dec 10 by Herbivore
People should be on the streets over this kind of thing. We've become so cowed as a society that we just accept it as perfectly normal that a handful of people control so much wealth and wield so much power while the majority struggle to make ends meet. It's nuts. If you were designing a socio-economic structure from scratch that was intended to be sustainable and to meet everyone's basic human needs, it 100% would not be a system that not only promotes but is dependent upon this kind of gross inequality.
True, but there always has to be a tipping point to start protests. And AI being insidious in it's nature, I don't see what kick starts it. By then it will be too late anyway. It is going to be societically damaging.
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Oh, AI, you are killing the arts... on 15:15 - Dec 12 with 253 views
Oh, AI, you are killing the arts... on 08:16 - Dec 10 by Herbivore
AI is a huge problem that many people seem unwilling or unable to think through. You're right about the creative industries being particularly badly hit. AI can knock out an album in minute where it takes months and months for an artist to do so. It'll be shit but then you look at the music people consume and that won't really matter that much. Same goes for visual art, films, books - AI will churn out more and more bland, derivative crap and enough people will lap it up that there'll be barely any room for creative people to carve out a living anymore.
It has massive implications in other areas. In academia, it's being used in research and academic publishing (though it's still relatively easy to spot because it's shit) but more problematically it's use is widespread among students. It discourages them to think for themselves and to engage with proper academic sources. It means they don't learn how to write or how to structure an argument. If you have markers who are too jaded or not skilled enough to spot the use of AI, someone could get themselves a 2:1 without ever having produced a bit of work themselves and without ever meaningfully engaging with or understanding the course material. That's not ideal if that person is then entering the workforce without key knowledge and skills.
That's before getting on to the massive environmental impact of dickheads turning themselves into action figures (anyone who has done this should burn in hell) or producing those slop cartoon infographics that are suddenly all over LinkedIn. The planet is already screwed and our solution seems to be to burn through resources at an even quicker rate by going all in on a technology that is likely to make us all poorer and more miserable in the long run.
I could rant more but my final thought is this. Look at the most vocal proponents of AI, take a good hard look at those who are its most vociferous supporters and those who are pushing it and pushing it and telling us to ignore any reasonable concerns raised about its implications. Are they really the kind of people you think have your best interests at heart?
With regard to AI, it's the same in my industry, visual effects. We have AI bros all over LinkedIn proclaiming the death of Hollywood while posting their prompted slop. It's all absolute garbage. Even Coca Cola's totally AI Christmas ad is a big pile of sh*t when you actually look at it. And they chucked millions at it.
We have to deal with film and tv producers who think they can get the same results for a fraction of the budget. It's made things very difficult just now, but ultimately AI can't yet deliver the craftmanship that humans can.
AI won't replace proper art because people are interested in content made by other people, not a computer. However, there is a place to use it as part of a workflow. The problem is people looking for a quick money maker at the moment.
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Oh, AI, you are killing the arts... on 16:54 - Dec 12 with 198 views
A big thank you to everyone who contributed to this topic. The main points I've got from it so far are:
- Many people are unsure over the unchecked, seemingly boundless capability of AI to take over the arts and indeed everyday life.
- It's far from just the arts that are suffering because of it, and those who have also been impacted in their working lives have my sympathy too.
- The point about its use in research and education is also salient - where is the independent thinking if we all use AI?
- I am writing some ok music, as the feedback has been very nice to receive.
For our first single, we went nuts promoting streams on Spotify, so we could get over their algorithmic threshold and onto their playlists. We worked like Trojans, got 10k streams in about 6 weeks, and that song went onto a few of their playlists for a while. Now, 2 years later it has just 15.5k all time streams. Spotify have also started using AI to bulk out their auto-generated playlists with their own music, so they don't have to pay royalties to independent artists. We simply cannot win. Payback doesn't even have 1k overall streams. Unless you pay a publishing company, you get nowhere, and if they take you places they take HUGE percentages of a pittance in royalties to do it.
Anyway, thanks to you all for your kind responses. I won't ever stop making music,.as I love it, but it's hard not to get downhearted at the capitalist sharks that run the music business, and the shameless opportunists with AI technology to play with. .
Oh, AI, you are killing the arts... on 16:54 - Dec 12 by Hugoagogo_Reborn
A big thank you to everyone who contributed to this topic. The main points I've got from it so far are:
- Many people are unsure over the unchecked, seemingly boundless capability of AI to take over the arts and indeed everyday life.
- It's far from just the arts that are suffering because of it, and those who have also been impacted in their working lives have my sympathy too.
- The point about its use in research and education is also salient - where is the independent thinking if we all use AI?
- I am writing some ok music, as the feedback has been very nice to receive.
For our first single, we went nuts promoting streams on Spotify, so we could get over their algorithmic threshold and onto their playlists. We worked like Trojans, got 10k streams in about 6 weeks, and that song went onto a few of their playlists for a while. Now, 2 years later it has just 15.5k all time streams. Spotify have also started using AI to bulk out their auto-generated playlists with their own music, so they don't have to pay royalties to independent artists. We simply cannot win. Payback doesn't even have 1k overall streams. Unless you pay a publishing company, you get nowhere, and if they take you places they take HUGE percentages of a pittance in royalties to do it.
Anyway, thanks to you all for your kind responses. I won't ever stop making music,.as I love it, but it's hard not to get downhearted at the capitalist sharks that run the music business, and the shameless opportunists with AI technology to play with. .
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You're absolutely right to keep on making music.
By the way, I bought Mont Blanc Massif from your band's website in September after a post by you but can't see Payback on it.
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Oh, AI, you are killing the arts... on 21:23 - Dec 12 with 118 views
Nice song, but it’s ironic your denigrating AI music when your song has a video that was clearly made with AI.
To play devils advocate I don’t think it’s as bad as everyone makes out.
Young creative people will still be able to learn by doing mediocre work as they always have.
The existence of AI doesn’t stop someone picking up a guitar and making a song, or picking up a camera and shooting a film.
We’ve had a freak 60/70 years when many people have been paid highly for producing creative works. This is coming to an end and I think this is why most people are so annoyed.
No one’s stopping you doing anything creative, it’s just unlikely anyone will ever listen to it and unlikely you will get paid.
If that’s enough to stop you making music, then maybe you were only ever doing it to get famous or rich in the first place.
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Oh, AI, you are killing the arts... on 22:25 - Dec 12 with 78 views
Oh, AI, you are killing the arts... on 15:39 - Dec 12 by mrfixit426
I frickin' love this!
With regard to AI, it's the same in my industry, visual effects. We have AI bros all over LinkedIn proclaiming the death of Hollywood while posting their prompted slop. It's all absolute garbage. Even Coca Cola's totally AI Christmas ad is a big pile of sh*t when you actually look at it. And they chucked millions at it.
We have to deal with film and tv producers who think they can get the same results for a fraction of the budget. It's made things very difficult just now, but ultimately AI can't yet deliver the craftmanship that humans can.
AI won't replace proper art because people are interested in content made by other people, not a computer. However, there is a place to use it as part of a workflow. The problem is people looking for a quick money maker at the moment.
If people aren’t interested in content made by a computer then why is anyone worried.
I think people are happy to listen to AI content and watch AI videos, and it’s shite at the moment. It will be much better in a few years time.
People haven’t been paying for music for 20 years, AI isn’t the reason no one’s buying your track.
Oh, AI, you are killing the arts... on 22:05 - Dec 12 by ipswichultra
Good thread.
Nice song, but it’s ironic your denigrating AI music when your song has a video that was clearly made with AI.
To play devils advocate I don’t think it’s as bad as everyone makes out.
Young creative people will still be able to learn by doing mediocre work as they always have.
The existence of AI doesn’t stop someone picking up a guitar and making a song, or picking up a camera and shooting a film.
We’ve had a freak 60/70 years when many people have been paid highly for producing creative works. This is coming to an end and I think this is why most people are so annoyed.
No one’s stopping you doing anything creative, it’s just unlikely anyone will ever listen to it and unlikely you will get paid.
If that’s enough to stop you making music, then maybe you were only ever doing it to get famous or rich in the first place.
Oh, AI, you are killing the arts... on 22:33 - Dec 12 by Herbivore
This is boll0cks, mate.
Why is it b0llocks?
There is a way to look positively at this stuff,
Yes, AI is using large amounts of energy at the moment. But necessity is the mother of invention. If anything can help us find a clean and cheap energy source it’s AI.
Admittedly there’s some nefarious characters involved in pushing it, however there’s some good guys as well (Demis Hassabis at Google for example).
If used in the right way it could be a benefit to the human race, massively reducing poverty around the world and improving our relationship with the planet.
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