| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle 16:27 - Apr 16 with 2690 views | DJR |
https://www.theguardian.com/po
"Revealed: Mandelson failed vetting but Foreign Office overruled decision
Guardian investigation uncovers decision by UK security officials to deny clearance before Mandelson took up role as US ambassador"
It calls into question the following.
"Ministers and officials are now likely to be pressed over whether they have been fully transparent about the process that led to his appointment.
At a press conference in Hastings on 5 February, Starmer responded to a question from a journalist by saying there had been “security vetting, carried out independently by the security services, which is an intensive exercise that gave him [Mandelson] clearance for the role. You have to go through that before you take up the post.” He added: “Clearly both the due diligence and the security vetting need to be looked at again.”
This appeared to partly put the blame for Mandelson’s appointment on the failure of a vetting process which, according to sources, his government had overruled."
On top of all that Rayner isn't in the clear to challenge, and Streeting has close links to Mandelson. And the right of the party know that someone from their wing (such as Mahmood) won't cut it with the membership, and also despise Rayner.
Still, I suppose it goes to show the advantage of a friend in high places.  I underwent developed vetting nearly 40 years ago, and had I failed, I would have been out on my ass. [Post edited 16 Apr 16:43]
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 19:21 - Apr 16 with 643 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 19:11 - Apr 16 by jasondozzell |
As he himself readily admits, he's just an oaf from Fife, but he's got everything right in the last 10 years whilst the commentariat have made an utter arse of themselves.
Forensic, wasn't it? |
"commentariat". You are Jeremy Corbyn and I claim my fiver. |  |
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 20:05 - Apr 16 with 583 views | GlasgowBlue |
Yes I know. It is one of Jeremy's favourite words. | |
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 20:17 - Apr 16 with 558 views | positivity |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 18:30 - Apr 16 by jasondozzell |
Of course they rigged it! They literally lied to the members!
If you think Starmer has been in charge of anything then you're off your rocker.
They told you themselves - 'he's at the front of the DLR. He thinks he's driving the train but he's not'. [Post edited 16 Apr 18:31]
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it's the lizard people running everything! they're trying to keep it from you! |  |
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 20:21 - Apr 16 with 540 views | positivity |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 18:41 - Apr 16 by DJR |
I was one of those 200,000 but it is clear that people who voted for him were misled because Starmer went back on virtually all his pledges, and the party moved dramatically to the right.
Margaret Hodge was interviewed by the FT during the leadership campaign and said this of Starmer. "He's triangulating like mad. Somebody said to me, I don't mind what he does so long as he wins, he beats Rebecca Long-Bailey. And I thought Tony [Blair] never did that. Tony was completely straight, completely honest. So is Keir lying to get the job? And will he then change? That's what this person was saying to me as way of promoting Keir." [Post edited 16 Apr 18:49]
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unfortunately, people change their position all the time.
however if you run the vote again today and say would you rather have starmer or long-bailey as labour leader/pm, you'd get the same result! for all his faults, i'd still back him over long-bailey... | |
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 20:23 - Apr 16 with 524 views | positivity |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 19:11 - Apr 16 by jasondozzell |
As he himself readily admits, he's just an oaf from Fife, but he's got everything right in the last 10 years whilst the commentariat have made an utter arse of themselves.
Forensic, wasn't it? |
everything right in the last 10 years? quite the nostrodamus? and he's picked up a grand total of 100 followers every year?
sign me up! i want to check how the last 5 games of the season are going to pan out | |
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 20:36 - Apr 16 with 501 views | DJR |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 20:21 - Apr 16 by positivity |
unfortunately, people change their position all the time.
however if you run the vote again today and say would you rather have starmer or long-bailey as labour leader/pm, you'd get the same result! for all his faults, i'd still back him over long-bailey... |
It wasn't a change of mind though. It was part of a deliberate policy to permanently shift the Parliamentary party to the right thus ensuring someone like Long-Bailey would never make any future ballot. And they've carried it on by stopping someone like Burnham from being able to stand,
And look what a mess they have got into with a leader who seems to have no political grounding or nous and who is over-reliant on advisers. | | | |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 20:44 - Apr 16 with 476 views | positivity |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 20:36 - Apr 16 by DJR |
It wasn't a change of mind though. It was part of a deliberate policy to permanently shift the Parliamentary party to the right thus ensuring someone like Long-Bailey would never make any future ballot. And they've carried it on by stopping someone like Burnham from being able to stand,
And look what a mess they have got into with a leader who seems to have no political grounding or nous and who is over-reliant on advisers. |
it's not permanent, same as corbyn's shift to the left wasn't permanent. mcsweeney's gone, mandelson's gone.
i agree about burnham, but happy we don't have to sufer long-bailey as an untouchable leader a la corbyn | |
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 20:59 - Apr 16 with 455 views | DJR |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 20:44 - Apr 16 by positivity |
it's not permanent, same as corbyn's shift to the left wasn't permanent. mcsweeney's gone, mandelson's gone.
i agree about burnham, but happy we don't have to sufer long-bailey as an untouchable leader a la corbyn |
It was intended to be permanent, and the Labour Together faction still has control of the NEC: hence the barring of Burnham. But if Labour get annihilated at the election and people like Streeting, Reed and Mahmood are booted out, who knows what might happen?
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 21:16 - Apr 16 with 414 views | positivity |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 20:59 - Apr 16 by DJR |
It was intended to be permanent, and the Labour Together faction still has control of the NEC: hence the barring of Burnham. But if Labour get annihilated at the election and people like Streeting, Reed and Mahmood are booted out, who knows what might happen?
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just as corbyn's takeover was intended to be permanent, it never lasts | |
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 08:39 - Apr 17 with 317 views | DJR |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 21:16 - Apr 16 by positivity |
just as corbyn's takeover was intended to be permanent, it never lasts |
But Corbyn didn't carry out a purge of an overwhelmingly hostile Parliamentary party despite claims that he would. This enabled the party under Starmer to raise the support threshold for MPs to stand for leader, and was followed up with central control of MP selections which led to no MPs from the left being selected and was in breach of Starmer's pledge to leave selections to local parties | | | |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 08:46 - Apr 17 with 311 views | DJR |
The sacking of Olly Robbins demonstrates just how ruthless Starmer is.
But it beggars belief that it was only Olly Robbins and a few in the Foreign Office who up to now knew about the failed vetting.
Indeed, when it became clear that all documents relating to Mandelson had to be released, the developed vetting decision would surely have been the first that No. 10 would want to look at. [Post edited 17 Apr 8:48]
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 08:53 - Apr 17 with 288 views | Dubtractor |
I'm increasingly of the view that Starmer is as dishonest as Johnson was after all. |  |
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:04 - Apr 17 with 260 views | baxterbasics |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 08:46 - Apr 17 by DJR |
The sacking of Olly Robbins demonstrates just how ruthless Starmer is.
But it beggars belief that it was only Olly Robbins and a few in the Foreign Office who up to now knew about the failed vetting.
Indeed, when it became clear that all documents relating to Mandelson had to be released, the developed vetting decision would surely have been the first that No. 10 would want to look at. [Post edited 17 Apr 8:48]
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There's quite a list now of senior officials and advisors who've had to resign or be sacked over Mandy's appointment. No ministers yet, they are not responsible at all, of course. |  |
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:05 - Apr 17 with 254 views | Dubtractor |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:04 - Apr 17 by baxterbasics |
There's quite a list now of senior officials and advisors who've had to resign or be sacked over Mandy's appointment. No ministers yet, they are not responsible at all, of course. |
How many more people are going to have to resign for Keir Starmer's decision to ignore the advice of every single person who told him not to appoint Peter Mandelson? — Adam Bienkov (@adambienkov.bsky.social) 2026-04-17T05:58:19.234Z
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:06 - Apr 17 with 251 views | BlueSmoke |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:04 - Apr 17 by baxterbasics |
There's quite a list now of senior officials and advisors who've had to resign or be sacked over Mandy's appointment. No ministers yet, they are not responsible at all, of course. |
It never crossed his desk. Starting to wonder if Starmer actually has one. |  | | |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:08 - Apr 17 with 243 views | DJR |
Interesting to hear a Labour MP last night say when out canvassing that Starmer was universally unpopular and everyone brought up the winter fuel allowance.
The genius who came up with that policy holed Labour before the waterline very early on, and (to mix metaphors) it has been downhill ever since. [Post edited 17 Apr 9:10]
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:12 - Apr 17 with 222 views | Blueschev |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 17:36 - Apr 16 by DJR |
Yes, it's a damning indictment of the McSweeney/Labour Togetherr/Starmer project which unsurprisingly got no coverage in the mainstream media when the corruption and factionalism involved should have been shouted to the rooftops.
And with the demise of McSweeney, and the resignation of Josh Simon, it has sadly disappeared into the ether.
For my own part, I have a particular interest in what is said about Euan Phillips (or to use his alias, David Gordstein).
He was a member of our local party and I remember delivering leaflets with him when he mentioned that he had been in touch with others in the party elsewhere about a campaign against Corbyn. Little did I know at the time what it would turn out to be! [Post edited 17 Apr 8:58]
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The stuff about Euan Phillips was disgusting. To my mind, pretending to be Jewish in order to make spurious claims of antisemitism is in itself deeply antisemitic. That was one of many things that should have received far more media attention than it did (none). |  | | |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:18 - Apr 17 with 216 views | Blueschev |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 21:16 - Apr 16 by positivity |
just as corbyn's takeover was intended to be permanent, it never lasts |
That was a lazy myth used to discredit Corbyn, and people fell for it because it was an easy narrative to accept. Corbyn being a filthy Communist with his heart set on turning the UK into a reincarnation of the GDR. The truth is that Corbyn / McDonald bent over backwards to appease and accommodate their political opponents in the Party. The script had already been written no matter what they did. | | | |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:24 - Apr 17 with 193 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 08:53 - Apr 17 by Dubtractor |
I'm increasingly of the view that Starmer is as dishonest as Johnson was after all. |
🫡 welcome to the club, Dub!
Though I would still contest he's more dishonest than big dog. |  | | |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:27 - Apr 17 with 191 views | DJR |
And let's not forget the following.
"The files already released did show that National Security Adviser Jonathan Powell believed the appointment process was “unusual” and “weirdly rushed".
"Keir Starmer was advised that Peter Mandelson's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein posed a "general reputational risk" ahead of his confirmation as US ambassador.
In an advisory note sent to the prime minister on 11 December 2024, nine days before he was confirmed as ambassador, Starmer was told that the JP Morgan bank commissioned a report in 2019 that found Mandelson had maintained "a particularly close relationship" after the financier's conviction for soliciting prostitution with a minor." | | | |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:38 - Apr 17 with 159 views | baxterbasics |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:06 - Apr 17 by BlueSmoke |
It never crossed his desk. Starting to wonder if Starmer actually has one. |
It seems either one of the following are true (possibly both):
>there is a deliberate policy amongst advisors/officials of "plausible deniability" in which nobody tells Starmer anything that's going on behind the scenes. He doesn't need to know the detail, just get it done.
>the man is constantly lying.
Both pretty damning. | |
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:48 - Apr 17 with 129 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:27 - Apr 17 by DJR |
And let's not forget the following.
"The files already released did show that National Security Adviser Jonathan Powell believed the appointment process was “unusual” and “weirdly rushed".
"Keir Starmer was advised that Peter Mandelson's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein posed a "general reputational risk" ahead of his confirmation as US ambassador.
In an advisory note sent to the prime minister on 11 December 2024, nine days before he was confirmed as ambassador, Starmer was told that the JP Morgan bank commissioned a report in 2019 that found Mandelson had maintained "a particularly close relationship" after the financier's conviction for soliciting prostitution with a minor." |
did you hear darren jones on today? his claim was that the established procedure was that there was a type of vetting which was internal to the foreign office, didn't necessarily determine the foreign office's overall decision of which the vetting was only one part, and the outcome of the vetting was never shared outside the foreign office. even given the general ineptitude of the state, i find that ridiculous. but on that claim of what was the standard foreign office procedure starmer's survival now rests. it is either a true description of how the foreign office operated or it isn't. we will shortly find out. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:51 - Apr 17 with 113 views | DJR |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 08:53 - Apr 17 by Dubtractor |
I'm increasingly of the view that Starmer is as dishonest as Johnson was after all. |
The sad thing for me (as a lawyer and as some who left Leeds University the year before Starmer joined) is that you wouldn't have thought from much of his behaviour that he is a lawyer.
The exception could be said to be the US/Israel-Iran war but I do wonder if it is Lord Hermer, the AG, who is the main driver behind that decision. [Post edited 17 Apr 10:02]
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| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:52 - Apr 17 with 109 views | BlueSmoke |
| Starmer and Labour are in a pickle on 09:38 - Apr 17 by baxterbasics |
It seems either one of the following are true (possibly both):
>there is a deliberate policy amongst advisors/officials of "plausible deniability" in which nobody tells Starmer anything that's going on behind the scenes. He doesn't need to know the detail, just get it done.
>the man is constantly lying.
Both pretty damning. |
But Starmer is all about "forensic" detail, and loves a process.
It's just Peter! | | | |
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