| Starmer & political instability 20:50 - May 11 with 1584 views | Zx1988 |
If Starmer does end up either resigning or being pushed, I presume Novgorod Nigel's handlers will be rubbing their hands with glee, at having caused even more political instability in the UK, no? |  |
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| Starmer & political instability on 08:56 - May 13 with 147 views | baxterbasics |
Prime minister at the next election by baxterbasics 13 May 8:54My opinion, - again, as no fan of Starmer - I think it would be better for the country if his MPs (and also the media) pipe down and let him get on with it. There's no obvious successor waiting in the wings (no quick route for Burnham) and all this speculation and infighting and instability at the top is not helpful. We need a period of stable boring governance, even if that means he's little more than a caretaker PM. We've had this nonsense from both sides pretty much since Cameron resigned. Stop deposing leaders mid-cycle.
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| Starmer & political instability on 08:57 - May 13 with 144 views | GlasgowBlue |
I’ve read this thread two or three times and thought about posting but had hoped someone would point out the bleedin’ obvious. For someone known for their hot takes this your hottest yet.
It’s not nasty Nigel’s fault that Starmer appointed Mandelson as US Ambassador, causing a chain of events that saw Labour break out into civil war a couple of months ago, with Andy Burnham’s failed bid to get back into Parliament via the Denton by election to stand against Starmer in a leadership election.
It’s not nasty Nigel’s fault that Wes Streeting and Angela Rayner have been on manoeuvres since then, openly courting support if Labour performed badly in the local elections.
It’s not nasty Nigel’s fault that Labour lost nearly 1500 council seats across England, Wales and Scotland, with 300 of those going to the Greens.
It’s not nasty Nigel’s fault that Labour lost wales to Plaid for the first time in over a century.
It is in the hands of Labour MP’s whether the country is plunged into more political instability. They have a choice whether to support their leader or not. Not nasty Nigel who seems to be very much in your head. |  |
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| Starmer & political instability on 09:26 - May 13 with 95 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Starmer & political instability on 08:15 - May 13 by DJR |
The issue though, whether fair or not, is that an awful lot of people have a visceral hatred of Starmer and I can't see that ever changing.
Interestingly, John McTernan, former director of political operations for Blair and thus no lefty, believes that Labour got into the current mess by blocking Burnham which enabled the Greens to win the Gorton by-election and thus gain credibility and momentum which carried forward into the local elections.
His view is that the only hope for the Labour Party, and to defeat Reform, is Burnham, and that is a view I share.
And here's an extract from something he wrote yesterday.
"The size of Reform gains across England concealed a fundamental fact – the progressive bloc of voters is still by some way the largest in the UK. The BBC’s projected national share of the vote gives it 57 per cent of the vote compared to the combined 43 per cent of Reform and the Tories. That should mean the dominance of progressive parties and politics, yet the even split – 17 per cent Labour, 18 per cent Greens, 16 per cent Lib Dems [and 6 per cent others] – means they cannibalise each other’s support.
t’s not a case of Labour “moving to the left” – this is already a left wing government with its signature achievements coming from the soft left – Louise Haigh’s railway nationalization, Angela Rayner’s workers’ rights and renters rights, and Ed Miliband’s green transition. It’s more the need – to adapt the words of James Brown – “say it loud, we’re soft left and we’re proud!”
In the thirties, bank robber Willie Sutton made an important observation. Quizzed by the FBI about why he had robbed so many banks, he replied “That’s where the money is!” Labour need to obey “Sutton’s Law” – go where the votes are! Only two per cent of Reform voters say that they would be willing to listen to the Labour party again. The ones who used to be Labour have been on a decade’s long journey that started with the Brexit referendum. Voters who have gone Green have just switched but Scotland has shown that a change can become a habit.
To win a game, you need your best playmaker on the field. After two years in government Labour needs a Cabinet member who is listened to when he speaks. In pubs, at football matches, when he is spotted Andy Burnham is asked for selfies by fans. That is the regular expression of the fact he has positive approval ratings.
Time to bring Andy back. Now!" [Post edited 13 May 8:30]
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Well said DJR and Glasgow.
I could not agree more. |  | | |
| Starmer & political instability on 09:39 - May 13 with 63 views | Benters |
| Starmer & political instability on 08:57 - May 13 by GlasgowBlue |
I’ve read this thread two or three times and thought about posting but had hoped someone would point out the bleedin’ obvious. For someone known for their hot takes this your hottest yet.
It’s not nasty Nigel’s fault that Starmer appointed Mandelson as US Ambassador, causing a chain of events that saw Labour break out into civil war a couple of months ago, with Andy Burnham’s failed bid to get back into Parliament via the Denton by election to stand against Starmer in a leadership election.
It’s not nasty Nigel’s fault that Wes Streeting and Angela Rayner have been on manoeuvres since then, openly courting support if Labour performed badly in the local elections.
It’s not nasty Nigel’s fault that Labour lost nearly 1500 council seats across England, Wales and Scotland, with 300 of those going to the Greens.
It’s not nasty Nigel’s fault that Labour lost wales to Plaid for the first time in over a century.
It is in the hands of Labour MP’s whether the country is plunged into more political instability. They have a choice whether to support their leader or not. Not nasty Nigel who seems to be very much in your head. |
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