| Pedro Sanchez 20:03 - Oct 7 with 1651 views | Perublue |
“Spanish pensioner whose eviction sparked nationwide protests dies, union says” source BBC
That’s the end of him and his government then,., it looked likely anyway but the early election called and this turn of events will turn Spain governmentally handbrake turn hard right… swiftly followed by France in the spring…. Already happened in South and Latin America and the US ..
Latin America does tend to spend a decade hard left then hard right rinse and repeat with the odd military dictatorship thrown into the mix now and again. [Post edited 7 Oct 20:06]
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| Pedro Sanchez on 21:23 - Oct 7 with 1293 views | WeWereZombies |
Surely the eviction of an eighty seven year old pensioner by a private landlord will bring voters over to the left ? Or is that too sensible for 2026 ? [Post edited 7 Oct 21:24]
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| Pedro Sanchez on 22:12 - Oct 7 with 1208 views | Perublue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 21:23 - Oct 7 by WeWereZombies |
Surely the eviction of an eighty seven year old pensioner by a private landlord will bring voters over to the left ? Or is that too sensible for 2026 ? [Post edited 7 Oct 21:24]
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I think simplistic is the word you’re after. | |
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| Pedro Sanchez on 22:56 - Oct 7 with 1110 views | BarcaBlue |
I think you've misread the situation completely. It was the right and far right opposing housing reform laws. By calling an election one of the two decrees will be passed now as the opposition won't have enough votes to stop it. The second decree will fail as it doesn't have support of the PNV.
Housing will now be a major issue and something the left will be stronger on. It was looking like the crisis in Ceuta and immigration in general was going to dominate the debate but that has now changed somewhat.
I don't think Spain is different to any other country in Europe from flipping from right to left to right etc. but housing is now going to be a major player and hopefully people are realising that immigration is not the biggest problem we have here, far from it.
And by the way, RIP MariCarmen, 87 years old chucked out of her home by an investment company. Tragic and completely unavoidable, hopefully the new law will make it more difficult but so much more needs to be done and tightened up. |  | | |
| Pedro Sanchez on 23:01 - Oct 7 with 1097 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 22:56 - Oct 7 by BarcaBlue |
I think you've misread the situation completely. It was the right and far right opposing housing reform laws. By calling an election one of the two decrees will be passed now as the opposition won't have enough votes to stop it. The second decree will fail as it doesn't have support of the PNV.
Housing will now be a major issue and something the left will be stronger on. It was looking like the crisis in Ceuta and immigration in general was going to dominate the debate but that has now changed somewhat.
I don't think Spain is different to any other country in Europe from flipping from right to left to right etc. but housing is now going to be a major player and hopefully people are realising that immigration is not the biggest problem we have here, far from it.
And by the way, RIP MariCarmen, 87 years old chucked out of her home by an investment company. Tragic and completely unavoidable, hopefully the new law will make it more difficult but so much more needs to be done and tightened up. |
A tragic end to a sad but symbolically important story. RIP indeed. I’m sure the stress didn’t help.
Also, I’m glad you posted that as I was struggling to reconcile the OP with what little I know about the case. |  |
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| Pedro Sanchez on 23:20 - Oct 7 with 1044 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Pedro Sanchez on 22:56 - Oct 7 by BarcaBlue |
I think you've misread the situation completely. It was the right and far right opposing housing reform laws. By calling an election one of the two decrees will be passed now as the opposition won't have enough votes to stop it. The second decree will fail as it doesn't have support of the PNV.
Housing will now be a major issue and something the left will be stronger on. It was looking like the crisis in Ceuta and immigration in general was going to dominate the debate but that has now changed somewhat.
I don't think Spain is different to any other country in Europe from flipping from right to left to right etc. but housing is now going to be a major player and hopefully people are realising that immigration is not the biggest problem we have here, far from it.
And by the way, RIP MariCarmen, 87 years old chucked out of her home by an investment company. Tragic and completely unavoidable, hopefully the new law will make it more difficult but so much more needs to be done and tightened up. |
I suspect it was more based on wishful thinking by the OP perhaps? |  |
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| Pedro Sanchez on 23:49 - Oct 7 with 1023 views | Perublue |
Unfortunately for Sanchez and the PSOE … the housing situation has been allowed to continue to get to this stage under their watch for the majority of the last 30 years and being the incumbent power they’ll get a kicking even if they were called el partido de la reforma de la vivienda.
With his wife taking centre stage in the coming months and the strong polling/betting strength of PP even without the cursed potential support of VOX what I am talking about is not from the heart but the head…. An opinion piece I guess.
He’s known as a survivor but the tide is getting too high.
Contrary to what old salty slave thinks and unlike him i am agenda free. | |
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| Pedro Sanchez on 00:03 - Oct 8 with 1006 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Maybe I've missed something?
I thought Sanchez called the election because he couldn't get the housing reforms he wanted through parliament that would have prevented this kind of eviction happening again?
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| Pedro Sanchez on 07:08 - Oct 8 with 861 views | BarcaBlue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 23:49 - Oct 7 by Perublue |
Unfortunately for Sanchez and the PSOE … the housing situation has been allowed to continue to get to this stage under their watch for the majority of the last 30 years and being the incumbent power they’ll get a kicking even if they were called el partido de la reforma de la vivienda.
With his wife taking centre stage in the coming months and the strong polling/betting strength of PP even without the cursed potential support of VOX what I am talking about is not from the heart but the head…. An opinion piece I guess.
He’s known as a survivor but the tide is getting too high.
Contrary to what old salty slave thinks and unlike him i am agenda free. |
Sanchez hasn't been in power for 30 years so it's again incorrect to say it's been under his watch. He took over 7 years ago, has had a minority government and so until now hasn't been able to pass the housing reform bill.
His wife was brought to trial after corruption charges brought by Vox and the far right clean hands movement. We'll see what happens in court but the case was brought for purely political reasons.
You've got so much wrong in your posts I think it's fair to say you either do have an agenda or are completely clueless. | | | |
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| Pedro Sanchez on 07:27 - Oct 8 with 820 views | BarcaBlue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 00:03 - Oct 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Maybe I've missed something?
I thought Sanchez called the election because he couldn't get the housing reforms he wanted through parliament that would have prevented this kind of eviction happening again?
Happy to be corrected. |
He brought the elections forward by seven months so housing could be central in debates. Waiting seven months would have meant it would all be centred on immigration.
It's still probably going to be a win for the right, reliant on the far right Vox for a majority. Vox wielding any sort of power is absolutely frightening. | | | |
| Pedro Sanchez on 07:36 - Oct 8 with 802 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Pedro Sanchez on 07:08 - Oct 8 by BarcaBlue |
Sanchez hasn't been in power for 30 years so it's again incorrect to say it's been under his watch. He took over 7 years ago, has had a minority government and so until now hasn't been able to pass the housing reform bill.
His wife was brought to trial after corruption charges brought by Vox and the far right clean hands movement. We'll see what happens in court but the case was brought for purely political reasons.
You've got so much wrong in your posts I think it's fair to say you either do have an agenda or are completely clueless. |
On the plus side I do kind of like 'Salty Slave!' | |
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| Pedro Sanchez on 07:45 - Oct 8 with 799 views | Perublue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 07:08 - Oct 8 by BarcaBlue |
Sanchez hasn't been in power for 30 years so it's again incorrect to say it's been under his watch. He took over 7 years ago, has had a minority government and so until now hasn't been able to pass the housing reform bill.
His wife was brought to trial after corruption charges brought by Vox and the far right clean hands movement. We'll see what happens in court but the case was brought for purely political reasons.
You've got so much wrong in your posts I think it's fair to say you either do have an agenda or are completely clueless. |
“You've got so much wrong in your posts I think it's fair to say you either do have an agenda or are completely clueless”…. Whatever the “reality” you’ve disappointed and surprised me with that immature response to an interesting conversation…. Too much time spent on social media perhaps ? | |
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| Pedro Sanchez on 07:54 - Oct 8 with 789 views | BarcaBlue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 07:45 - Oct 8 by Perublue |
“You've got so much wrong in your posts I think it's fair to say you either do have an agenda or are completely clueless”…. Whatever the “reality” you’ve disappointed and surprised me with that immature response to an interesting conversation…. Too much time spent on social media perhaps ? |
I don't use social media other than Instagram for my photography hobby. I have lived in Spain / Catalunya for 39 years which is where my information comes from. Just making things up doesn't equate with an interesting conversation. | | | |
| Pedro Sanchez on 08:10 - Oct 8 with 762 views | Perublue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 07:54 - Oct 8 by BarcaBlue |
I don't use social media other than Instagram for my photography hobby. I have lived in Spain / Catalunya for 39 years which is where my information comes from. Just making things up doesn't equate with an interesting conversation. |
Which makes it a little more clearer to why your view is quite close minded rather than looking at the bigger picture especially as you should know very well that each region in Spain is its own country more or less.
Most of what I’ve written you haven’t really understood otherwise you wouldn’t be parroting my comments or observation’s later on in the thread. | |
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| Pedro Sanchez on 08:32 - Oct 8 with 715 views | BarcaBlue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 08:10 - Oct 8 by Perublue |
Which makes it a little more clearer to why your view is quite close minded rather than looking at the bigger picture especially as you should know very well that each region in Spain is its own country more or less.
Most of what I’ve written you haven’t really understood otherwise you wouldn’t be parroting my comments or observation’s later on in the thread. |
Each region of Spain is not its own country more or less.
Your opening point about the sad passing of MariCarmen was completely and utterly wrong and its ramifications for the upcoming election.
Your point about the Socialists being in power for the last 30 years was wrong.
I've lived all over Spain and am now in Catalunya, that doesn't make me close-minded in the slightest. | | | |
| Pedro Sanchez on 09:21 - Oct 8 with 667 views | Perublue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 08:32 - Oct 8 by BarcaBlue |
Each region of Spain is not its own country more or less.
Your opening point about the sad passing of MariCarmen was completely and utterly wrong and its ramifications for the upcoming election.
Your point about the Socialists being in power for the last 30 years was wrong.
I've lived all over Spain and am now in Catalunya, that doesn't make me close-minded in the slightest. |
1: yes they are culturally,linguistically,historically,etc .. you are blatantly wrong.
2: we’ll see
3: an approximation to make a point of the case for the majority of this century which is correct.not to be taken as literal as you have.
4: geographical movement doesn’t automatically bless or grant you freedom from your own viewpoint or prejudices. | |
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| Pedro Sanchez on 09:31 - Oct 8 with 648 views | Perublue |
Your continuous and pompous responses are finally making a thread very easy to masturbate to. it’s been slim pickings recently…. I thank you and bow out .. after suffering a sudden and overwhelming feeling of inadequacy and melancholy wash over me for some reason. | |
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| Pedro Sanchez on 09:41 - Oct 8 with 620 views | BarcaBlue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 09:31 - Oct 8 by Perublue |
Your continuous and pompous responses are finally making a thread very easy to masturbate to. it’s been slim pickings recently…. I thank you and bow out .. after suffering a sudden and overwhelming feeling of inadequacy and melancholy wash over me for some reason. |
Well that's just plain weird but if it's forum threads that float your boat then go ahead. | | | |
| Pedro Sanchez on 09:41 - Oct 8 with 619 views | WeWereZombies |
| Pedro Sanchez on 07:36 - Oct 8 by BanksterDebtSlave |
On the plus side I do kind of like 'Salty Slave!' |
I think being called a simpleton trumps salty slave... | |
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| Pedro Sanchez on 09:44 - Oct 8 with 613 views | DJR |
This is an interesting recent academic take on the situation in Spain.
https://housingevidence.ac.uk/
Here are some excepts, and apologies for the layout.
"Spain’s housing policy turn and the challenge of multi-level governance
Summary
Spain is undergoing the most significant of turns in its state housing policy since the restoration of democracy in the 1970s.
Three measures illustrate the drive to reform a system historically oriented towards home ownership: the reintroduction of rent
control after forty years, the creation of the first state-owned company intended to develop and manage social and affordable
housing on a permanent basis, and the reinforcement of the country’s residual public stock under new parameters. The multi level and plurinational architecture of the state, combined with deep political polarisation, is nevertheless limiting the effective reach of this change and driving a reorganisation of governance
Conclusions
Spain’s state-led housing turn, analysed from a multi-level perspective, reveals a persistent tension between its normative
ambition and its effective implementation. The reach of state-driven reform is not simply limited but selectively modulated
through a governance system whose complexity is constitutive, and which internalises the political and social conflict
surrounding the crisis of the dominant model. The result is neither convergence on a single model nor wholesale blockage, but
recomposition: regions polarising further along ideological and territorial lines, municipalities emerging unevenly as arenas of
innovation, and a central state that, where the legislative route is obstructed, pursues the same ends through the fiscal one.
The medium-term outlook is uncertain and will depend, in large part, on political developments. The turn could consolidate, or
be aborted. The most likely outcome, however, is its sedimentation into a new and uneven geography of the right to housing.
Beyond Spain, however, the case carries a wider lesson for decentralised and devolved systems alike: the reach of a housing
reform depends less on central legislative ambition than on how the territorial architecture filters, implements or resists it.
Governance is not the backdrop, but its decisive terrain" [Post edited 8 Oct 9:45]
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| Pedro Sanchez on 10:59 - Oct 8 with 518 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 09:31 - Oct 8 by Perublue |
Your continuous and pompous responses are finally making a thread very easy to masturbate to. it’s been slim pickings recently…. I thank you and bow out .. after suffering a sudden and overwhelming feeling of inadequacy and melancholy wash over me for some reason. |
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| Pedro Sanchez on 10:59 - Oct 8 with 517 views | TarragonaBlue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 08:32 - Oct 8 by BarcaBlue |
Each region of Spain is not its own country more or less.
Your opening point about the sad passing of MariCarmen was completely and utterly wrong and its ramifications for the upcoming election.
Your point about the Socialists being in power for the last 30 years was wrong.
I've lived all over Spain and am now in Catalunya, that doesn't make me close-minded in the slightest. |
As a fellow British immigrant who's lived in Catalonia for 13 years. I completely agree with everything you've said here.
Living here has really opened my eyes to how divisive the independence movement is, as well as Spanish nationalism. Both are well represented here due to the massive number of people that moved here for work from other parts of Spain. [Post edited 8 Oct 11:03]
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| Pedro Sanchez on 11:33 - Oct 8 with 461 views | mellowblue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 09:44 - Oct 8 by DJR |
This is an interesting recent academic take on the situation in Spain.
https://housingevidence.ac.uk/
Here are some excepts, and apologies for the layout.
"Spain’s housing policy turn and the challenge of multi-level governance
Summary
Spain is undergoing the most significant of turns in its state housing policy since the restoration of democracy in the 1970s.
Three measures illustrate the drive to reform a system historically oriented towards home ownership: the reintroduction of rent
control after forty years, the creation of the first state-owned company intended to develop and manage social and affordable
housing on a permanent basis, and the reinforcement of the country’s residual public stock under new parameters. The multi level and plurinational architecture of the state, combined with deep political polarisation, is nevertheless limiting the effective reach of this change and driving a reorganisation of governance
Conclusions
Spain’s state-led housing turn, analysed from a multi-level perspective, reveals a persistent tension between its normative
ambition and its effective implementation. The reach of state-driven reform is not simply limited but selectively modulated
through a governance system whose complexity is constitutive, and which internalises the political and social conflict
surrounding the crisis of the dominant model. The result is neither convergence on a single model nor wholesale blockage, but
recomposition: regions polarising further along ideological and territorial lines, municipalities emerging unevenly as arenas of
innovation, and a central state that, where the legislative route is obstructed, pursues the same ends through the fiscal one.
The medium-term outlook is uncertain and will depend, in large part, on political developments. The turn could consolidate, or
be aborted. The most likely outcome, however, is its sedimentation into a new and uneven geography of the right to housing.
Beyond Spain, however, the case carries a wider lesson for decentralised and devolved systems alike: the reach of a housing
reform depends less on central legislative ambition than on how the territorial architecture filters, implements or resists it.
Governance is not the backdrop, but its decisive terrain" [Post edited 8 Oct 9:45]
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well that's made it all clear, I think, err, thanks !
It is interesting that in the Ms Abascal case, she was reliant on a rental contract that was issued when the Franco was still boss over 70 years ago, when rents were naturally lower. That contract could only be transferred once to another tenant, ususally from deceased spouse to living spouse before the contract was null and void and the terms became worthless. So that family was probably living on a much lower rent than the market rent for many years, though why the owners could not show some sensibility and empathy in the case of an older resident is puzzling. As with many cities worldwide, Madrid is struggling with high migration in, 150k per annum, which is putting huge strain on housing resources and pricing. |  | | |
| Pedro Sanchez on 11:59 - Oct 8 with 415 views | BarcaBlue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 11:33 - Oct 8 by mellowblue |
well that's made it all clear, I think, err, thanks !
It is interesting that in the Ms Abascal case, she was reliant on a rental contract that was issued when the Franco was still boss over 70 years ago, when rents were naturally lower. That contract could only be transferred once to another tenant, ususally from deceased spouse to living spouse before the contract was null and void and the terms became worthless. So that family was probably living on a much lower rent than the market rent for many years, though why the owners could not show some sensibility and empathy in the case of an older resident is puzzling. As with many cities worldwide, Madrid is struggling with high migration in, 150k per annum, which is putting huge strain on housing resources and pricing. |
An investment company comes in, buys the block of flats and puts rents up by 500% but you've put the blame on immigration.
I don't know the figures for Madrid so looked it up.
According to the National Statistics Institute (INE), the Community of Madrid recorded a net external migration (arrivals from abroad minus departures) of 113,964 people in 2024, following a net external migration of 150,469 people in 2023.
Blame should fall squarely on what are known here as vulture investors and not trying to suggest it's another situation caused by migrants | | | |
| Pedro Sanchez on 13:19 - Oct 8 with 350 views | DJR |
| Pedro Sanchez on 11:33 - Oct 8 by mellowblue |
well that's made it all clear, I think, err, thanks !
It is interesting that in the Ms Abascal case, she was reliant on a rental contract that was issued when the Franco was still boss over 70 years ago, when rents were naturally lower. That contract could only be transferred once to another tenant, ususally from deceased spouse to living spouse before the contract was null and void and the terms became worthless. So that family was probably living on a much lower rent than the market rent for many years, though why the owners could not show some sensibility and empathy in the case of an older resident is puzzling. As with many cities worldwide, Madrid is struggling with high migration in, 150k per annum, which is putting huge strain on housing resources and pricing. |
My pleasure. 
But I think it was a roundabout way of saying that the fragmented nature of governance in Spain, with fairly autonomous regions of different political persuasions, makes it hard to impose nationwide protections for renters. | | | |
| Pedro Sanchez on 17:10 - Oct 8 with 248 views | mellowblue |
| Pedro Sanchez on 11:59 - Oct 8 by BarcaBlue |
An investment company comes in, buys the block of flats and puts rents up by 500% but you've put the blame on immigration.
I don't know the figures for Madrid so looked it up.
According to the National Statistics Institute (INE), the Community of Madrid recorded a net external migration (arrivals from abroad minus departures) of 113,964 people in 2024, following a net external migration of 150,469 people in 2023.
Blame should fall squarely on what are known here as vulture investors and not trying to suggest it's another situation caused by migrants |
I take back the migration quote, turns out I took internal migration figures to be net migration. "Mi error" as they would say in Spain. Net migration over the last 20 years has averaged 15,000 per annum which is not a major factor.
By the way, my post was not a knock against migration by those of other races, countries etc it was more to do with economic migration to cities, due to rural poverty and lack of opportunity. The way you have interpreted it implies something different. | | | |
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