| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) 18:59 - Nov 12 with 1688 views | _CliveBaker_ |
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| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:31 - Nov 13 | tonybied |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:17 - Nov 13 by baxterbasics |
They seem pretty certain this was not a malicious attack. Are we buying that? |
I have trouble buying the line that their servers got overloaded. If that was the case then I'm pretty sure they would've fixed it by now. I would suspect that for O365 servers to get overloaded, something malicious would likely be triggering it, which is still ongoing. |  | | |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:35 - Nov 13 | Billywitch |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:29 - Nov 13 by nrb1985 |
No, obviously not. |
the fact that their intended fix hasn't worked suggested to me that something else is at play.
(15 years critical incident management experience under my belt) |  | | |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:37 - Nov 13 | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:17 - Nov 13 by baxterbasics |
They seem pretty certain this was not a malicious attack. Are we buying that? |
I wouldn’t say ‘not aware’ is a very tight wording for certainty. Given the business interruption its caused, they’ll have to be careful how the represent the situation.
*Class Action’s are very popular in the US…and businesses are losing a lot of income right now. [Post edited 13 Nov 9:39]
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| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:39 - Nov 13 | nrb1985 |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:37 - Nov 13 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I wouldn’t say ‘not aware’ is a very tight wording for certainty. Given the business interruption its caused, they’ll have to be careful how the represent the situation.
*Class Action’s are very popular in the US…and businesses are losing a lot of income right now. [Post edited 13 Nov 9:39]
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Friend of mine works for Allianz who underwrite a lot of MS policies.
Suspect they are going to be on the hook for fortunes after this. | | | |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:40 - Nov 13 | DanTheMan |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:31 - Nov 13 by tonybied |
I have trouble buying the line that their servers got overloaded. If that was the case then I'm pretty sure they would've fixed it by now. I would suspect that for O365 servers to get overloaded, something malicious would likely be triggering it, which is still ongoing. |
I don't think it's that unlikely. We'll have to wait for the RCA.
Could be a thundering herd issue where a small part goes off and the automated system reaction causes more than it solves. Almost impossible to say without any more information. |  |
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| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:42 - Nov 13 | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:08 - Nov 13 by nrb1985 |
At least it's friday and the pubs will be open in a couple of hours.
Lovely stuff. |
I am hoping they never come back on and I can live my life again. |  | | |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:48 - Nov 13 | NthQldITFC |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:40 - Nov 13 by DanTheMan |
I don't think it's that unlikely. We'll have to wait for the RCA.
Could be a thundering herd issue where a small part goes off and the automated system reaction causes more than it solves. Almost impossible to say without any more information. |
Would I be right in thinking that simple but large-scale DDoS attacks are likely to be more widespread with AI backing, and likely to cause the sort of load balancing system overload problem you're talking about? |  |
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| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:51 - Nov 13 | tonybied |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:40 - Nov 13 by DanTheMan |
I don't think it's that unlikely. We'll have to wait for the RCA.
Could be a thundering herd issue where a small part goes off and the automated system reaction causes more than it solves. Almost impossible to say without any more information. |
Not saying it's massively unlikely, more that I don't believe it.
Your last line is key, though. We're all just guessing, and Microsoft will likely leave it that way until, at least, they know their fix, and it's in progress, or possibly not even until they have fixed it and fully investigated the problem. | | | |
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| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:53 - Nov 13 | DanTheMan |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:48 - Nov 13 by NthQldITFC |
Would I be right in thinking that simple but large-scale DDoS attacks are likely to be more widespread with AI backing, and likely to cause the sort of load balancing system overload problem you're talking about? |
AI adds basically nothing to DDoS, they are a blunt instrument.
The only thing AI would potentially used for is creating the initial botnet for an attack perhaps. Otherwise you just need a lot of networking infrastructure from many different places.
AI is better at targeted attacks. | |
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| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:57 - Nov 13 | NthQldITFC |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:53 - Nov 13 by DanTheMan |
AI adds basically nothing to DDoS, they are a blunt instrument.
The only thing AI would potentially used for is creating the initial botnet for an attack perhaps. Otherwise you just need a lot of networking infrastructure from many different places.
AI is better at targeted attacks. |
Yes, for finding vulnerabilities to exploit in vast numbers of weakly protected 'consumer' nodes as a base for DDoS attacks.
...making for potentially very large numbers of very large blunt instruments. [Post edited 13 Nov 9:58]
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| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 10:08 - Nov 13 | DanTheMan |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:57 - Nov 13 by NthQldITFC |
Yes, for finding vulnerabilities to exploit in vast numbers of weakly protected 'consumer' nodes as a base for DDoS attacks.
...making for potentially very large numbers of very large blunt instruments. [Post edited 13 Nov 9:58]
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Yes, so it's not the AI really doing the DDoS, but helping build a botnet.
Maybe a pedantic point, but being a software engineer, that's my specialty ;) | |
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| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 10:13 - Nov 13 | SirBobbysBoys |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 09:40 - Nov 13 by DanTheMan |
I don't think it's that unlikely. We'll have to wait for the RCA.
Could be a thundering herd issue where a small part goes off and the automated system reaction causes more than it solves. Almost impossible to say without any more information. |
It'll be DNS, It's always DNS! |  | | |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 10:17 - Nov 13 | NthQldITFC |
| Anyone's Outlook down? (n/t) on 10:08 - Nov 13 by DanTheMan |
Yes, so it's not the AI really doing the DDoS, but helping build a botnet.
Maybe a pedantic point, but being a software engineer, that's my specialty ;) |
I'm being a pedant too, and sticking to the core point of my original suggestion that 'large-scale DDoS attacks are likely to be more widespread with AI backing', slightly badly worded though it may have been!
Also that something as blunt and basic as a DDoS attack, if widespread enough is going to cause load-balancing problems. | |
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