| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 09:22 - Jun 29 with 3607 views | blue_oyster |
He's 'controversial', because he's not a soppy liberal. |  |
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| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 09:26 - Jun 29 with 3600 views | Swansea_Blue |
No problem with the choice from that perspective,as I presume he'll abide by the ethical codes required. It seems a bit odd that they've not chosen someone who's a specialist in relevant housing/building law. [Post edited 29 Jun 2017 9:26]
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| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 09:37 - Jun 29 with 3582 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Very selective journalism by the Guardian.
I dont think the Tories have any more to fear from this inquiry than Labour and the Lib Dems. The cladding of these towers was started under Labour, and most of the Towers are in Labour led council wards.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/labour-lib-dems-much-blame-tories-grenfell
The way Labour have behaved over this has been disgusting. [Post edited 29 Jun 2017 9:38]
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| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 09:43 - Jun 29 with 3553 views | Guthrum |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 09:26 - Jun 29 by Swansea_Blue |
No problem with the choice from that perspective,as I presume he'll abide by the ethical codes required. It seems a bit odd that they've not chosen someone who's a specialist in relevant housing/building law. [Post edited 29 Jun 2017 9:26]
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How many sufficiently experienced retired senior judges (of young enough age) are there with that specialisation?
Moreover, the remit will go beyond building regs and fire safety to look at housing policy, disaster response and probably even funding.
This is going to be among the most high-profile and far-reaching inquiries of recent decades (in dealing with ongoing matters, arguably more significant than Chilcot). Above all, they need someone who can run it efficiently and produce a report at the end. |  |
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| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 10:12 - Jun 29 with 3500 views | No9 |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 09:37 - Jun 29 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Very selective journalism by the Guardian.
I dont think the Tories have any more to fear from this inquiry than Labour and the Lib Dems. The cladding of these towers was started under Labour, and most of the Towers are in Labour led council wards.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/labour-lib-dems-much-blame-tories-grenfell
The way Labour have behaved over this has been disgusting. [Post edited 29 Jun 2017 9:38]
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we don't have a labour governemtn they went 7 years ago & I don't think it took that long to refurbish Grenfell Tower. The new & unpprotected gas mains (which should never be allowed in a high rise building) were not installed until 2016.
Building regs are the responsibility of the government of the day, if the tories didn't like what they were left with they were at liberty to change them but as we see, instead of tightening the reg's they were in the process of making them even more lax, in fact very pleased they didn't have to comply with the new EU reg's so how it is anyone else responsinility is difficult to understand. The link below will help you
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/22/government-backed-red-tape-group |  | | |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 10:35 - Jun 29 with 3470 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 10:12 - Jun 29 by No9 |
we don't have a labour governemtn they went 7 years ago & I don't think it took that long to refurbish Grenfell Tower. The new & unpprotected gas mains (which should never be allowed in a high rise building) were not installed until 2016.
Building regs are the responsibility of the government of the day, if the tories didn't like what they were left with they were at liberty to change them but as we see, instead of tightening the reg's they were in the process of making them even more lax, in fact very pleased they didn't have to comply with the new EU reg's so how it is anyone else responsinility is difficult to understand. The link below will help you
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/22/government-backed-red-tape-group |
Typical Guardian reader. Guardian = left wing version of the Daily Mail.
The current Government was left with a note from Labour saying 'there is no money left'. Ha ha, thats funny.
So how do they fund sorting out Labours mess?
You do understand that Labour controlled Councils have clad these towers during the Tory Government. The local councils have more influence over what type of cladding is used than the government do.
Each Council has a choice of what specification to instruct, regardless of what building regs say. | |
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| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 10:39 - Jun 29 with 3464 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 10:12 - Jun 29 by No9 |
we don't have a labour governemtn they went 7 years ago & I don't think it took that long to refurbish Grenfell Tower. The new & unpprotected gas mains (which should never be allowed in a high rise building) were not installed until 2016.
Building regs are the responsibility of the government of the day, if the tories didn't like what they were left with they were at liberty to change them but as we see, instead of tightening the reg's they were in the process of making them even more lax, in fact very pleased they didn't have to comply with the new EU reg's so how it is anyone else responsinility is difficult to understand. The link below will help you
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/22/government-backed-red-tape-group |
Would the Tory government be to blame if those Camden Tower blocks had been the unlucky block that had its cladding catch fire? | |
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| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 10:50 - Jun 29 with 3447 views | No9 |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 10:39 - Jun 29 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Would the Tory government be to blame if those Camden Tower blocks had been the unlucky block that had its cladding catch fire? |
The tories came to government in 2010.
It then became their responsibility to take whatever action was necessary as advised or, on recommendation.
The responsible minsters chose to do nothing and regulations that were supposed to have been looked at then still have not been reviewed
The government changed & updayed legislation in "The Construction (Design & Managemen) Regulations 2015 -
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/51/contents/made
See Brandon Lewis - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/grenfell-tower-fire-safety-rules-s
Whoever forms the next government will inherit whatever is left behind
Hopefully they will not be so keen on 'deregulation' | | | |
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| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 10:55 - Jun 29 with 3437 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 10:50 - Jun 29 by No9 |
The tories came to government in 2010.
It then became their responsibility to take whatever action was necessary as advised or, on recommendation.
The responsible minsters chose to do nothing and regulations that were supposed to have been looked at then still have not been reviewed
The government changed & updayed legislation in "The Construction (Design & Managemen) Regulations 2015 -
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/51/contents/made
See Brandon Lewis - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/grenfell-tower-fire-safety-rules-s
Whoever forms the next government will inherit whatever is left behind
Hopefully they will not be so keen on 'deregulation' |
Doesnt change the fact that Labour Councils have clad many of these blocks since 2010 in materials that have failed the test.
its folly to try to put all the blame on the Tory government.
There was a report in 1999 advising against the use of this type of cladding. Scotland took note and are therefore not in the predicament that we are in. Labour chose to completely ignore that report for 11 years.
Those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.
I dont think any party is without culpability on this one. | |
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| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 11:30 - Jun 29 with 3378 views | No9 |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 10:55 - Jun 29 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Doesnt change the fact that Labour Councils have clad many of these blocks since 2010 in materials that have failed the test.
its folly to try to put all the blame on the Tory government.
There was a report in 1999 advising against the use of this type of cladding. Scotland took note and are therefore not in the predicament that we are in. Labour chose to completely ignore that report for 11 years.
Those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.
I dont think any party is without culpability on this one. |
Scotland is under different llaws from England - as it say's "the Laws of England & Wales".
The government of the day is responsible for building reg's & legislation - why don't you understand that instead of trying to put a political spin on what is a procedural matter, the Civil Servants are there to update each incoming government on what needs looking at.
Even now there are organisations that have certificates to say the materials they have used are OK but the government NOW says they are not. | | | |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 12:31 - Jun 29 with 3329 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 11:30 - Jun 29 by No9 |
Scotland is under different llaws from England - as it say's "the Laws of England & Wales".
The government of the day is responsible for building reg's & legislation - why don't you understand that instead of trying to put a political spin on what is a procedural matter, the Civil Servants are there to update each incoming government on what needs looking at.
Even now there are organisations that have certificates to say the materials they have used are OK but the government NOW says they are not. |
You don't understand local government v national government do you. | |
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| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 13:29 - Jun 29 with 3278 views | mrshallisfit |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 10:55 - Jun 29 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Doesnt change the fact that Labour Councils have clad many of these blocks since 2010 in materials that have failed the test.
its folly to try to put all the blame on the Tory government.
There was a report in 1999 advising against the use of this type of cladding. Scotland took note and are therefore not in the predicament that we are in. Labour chose to completely ignore that report for 11 years.
Those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.
I dont think any party is without culpability on this one. |
ALL councils have used the cheaper cladding. ALL councils have had cuts to their budgets of between 40 and 45% since 2010. Possible link there? | | | |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 15:31 - Jun 29 with 3222 views | No9 |
| Appointment of a controversial Judge for Grenfell Tower PE on 12:31 - Jun 29 by Marshalls_Mullet |
You don't understand local government v national government do you. |
Yes I do, Local Government can't legislate | | | |
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