| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 14:50 - Apr 5 with 1088 views | WD19 |
“superficially well-meaning, yet bafflingly meaningless” as a leader. I think that is a view I can subscribe to. |  | |  |
| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 14:59 - Apr 5 with 1057 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 14:50 - Apr 5 by WD19 |
“superficially well-meaning, yet bafflingly meaningless” as a leader. I think that is a view I can subscribe to. |
I know a Times journalist fully engaged in the party political/media bukkake would struggle to get it.
Wonder if he's starting to get it now.? |  |
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| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 19:37 - Apr 5 with 865 views | catch74 |
| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 14:50 - Apr 5 by WD19 |
“superficially well-meaning, yet bafflingly meaningless” as a leader. I think that is a view I can subscribe to. |
Bang on. |  |
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| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 19:57 - Apr 5 with 836 views | Darth_Koont |
Maybe .. he wouldn't be the only one that got antisemitism in the Labour Party wrong. I know he moved on from that so maybe he started to see through the BS as well. | |
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| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 19:58 - Apr 5 with 835 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Very good....not much to argue with there...a view confirmed by seeing GB continue to try and character assassinate him without tackling any of the points raised in the article. |  |
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| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 20:54 - Apr 5 with 794 views | BloomBlue |
Although the sentence... "But history will be far kinder to him than to Johnson, or Blair, or Theresa May," is a bit of a joke why would history compare winners with a loser?
Yes history will be tough on all 3 because they had the ability to win a GE and then had to make decisions, Corbyn didn't have the ability to win a GE and never had to make a decision as a Prime Minister. |  | | |
| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 21:52 - Apr 5 with 751 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 20:54 - Apr 5 by BloomBlue |
Although the sentence... "But history will be far kinder to him than to Johnson, or Blair, or Theresa May," is a bit of a joke why would history compare winners with a loser?
Yes history will be tough on all 3 because they had the ability to win a GE and then had to make decisions, Corbyn didn't have the ability to win a GE and never had to make a decision as a Prime Minister. |
Because they were empty suits who did overall more harm than good by being PM and leader of their party.
Corbyn stood for something different, which was threatening to too many with vested interests and was mercilessly attacked as a result.It's called socialism and it's just as part of a healthy, advanced society as capitalism - in fact the two actually work very well in tandem by keeping the other in check and on the right lines.
Corbyn's Achilles heel was the EU that I think he was wrong about historically. But it wasn't his own beliefs that were his undoing here, more that the disillusionment and disenfranchisement he was highlighting in society was at the same time being co-opted by rightwing populist liars and charlatans like Farage, Tommy Robinson and the loony fringe of the Conservatives. They tapped into those legitimate feelings but blamed it all on foreigners rather than the UK economy and society Corbyn and others were correctly looking to reform.
So Brexit came at entirely the wrong time as it muddied the waters and split that vote. That never happened in Scotland because they had already gone down the route of rejecting the status quo and looking to reform society a few years before. Hence the Brexiteers and their arguments looked exactly what they were - the same old people looking after their same old interests, and screwing over the public in the process.
While obviously we could completely do without the collateral deaths and damage of this pandemic, it may be good timing for Starmer as it seems to have broken the spell we've been living under for so many years. There's never been a clearer idea of who and what is important in society. I hope Starmer takes the opportunity he's been given and pushes forward with the necessary long-term change we need in many areas. [Post edited 5 Apr 2020 21:55]
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| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 22:21 - Apr 5 with 721 views | BloomBlue |
| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 21:52 - Apr 5 by Darth_Koont |
Because they were empty suits who did overall more harm than good by being PM and leader of their party.
Corbyn stood for something different, which was threatening to too many with vested interests and was mercilessly attacked as a result.It's called socialism and it's just as part of a healthy, advanced society as capitalism - in fact the two actually work very well in tandem by keeping the other in check and on the right lines.
Corbyn's Achilles heel was the EU that I think he was wrong about historically. But it wasn't his own beliefs that were his undoing here, more that the disillusionment and disenfranchisement he was highlighting in society was at the same time being co-opted by rightwing populist liars and charlatans like Farage, Tommy Robinson and the loony fringe of the Conservatives. They tapped into those legitimate feelings but blamed it all on foreigners rather than the UK economy and society Corbyn and others were correctly looking to reform.
So Brexit came at entirely the wrong time as it muddied the waters and split that vote. That never happened in Scotland because they had already gone down the route of rejecting the status quo and looking to reform society a few years before. Hence the Brexiteers and their arguments looked exactly what they were - the same old people looking after their same old interests, and screwing over the public in the process.
While obviously we could completely do without the collateral deaths and damage of this pandemic, it may be good timing for Starmer as it seems to have broken the spell we've been living under for so many years. There's never been a clearer idea of who and what is important in society. I hope Starmer takes the opportunity he's been given and pushes forward with the necessary long-term change we need in many areas. [Post edited 5 Apr 2020 21:55]
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But William Hague stood for something different and history has been kinder to him than it has Blair and actually he had some good ideas but that doesnt mean he would have been a great PM .
I'll agree with you Brexit came at the wrong time but his decision not to take one side was the problem. The British public want their PM to make decisions, they know being PM means you have to make a decision they'll even accept wrong decisions (to some degree) but decisions have to be made. That was Corbyn's big mistake | | | |
| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 22:30 - Apr 5 with 704 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oborne again cuts through the narrative bullsh!t on 22:21 - Apr 5 by BloomBlue |
But William Hague stood for something different and history has been kinder to him than it has Blair and actually he had some good ideas but that doesnt mean he would have been a great PM .
I'll agree with you Brexit came at the wrong time but his decision not to take one side was the problem. The British public want their PM to make decisions, they know being PM means you have to make a decision they'll even accept wrong decisions (to some degree) but decisions have to be made. That was Corbyn's big mistake |
What did William Hague stand for? Genuine question. To me he seemed to try to modernise the Conservative Party somewhat - but that ultimately ended up in a swing back to the loons of IDS so not sure what his legacy was.
I'm not talking about the politics of Brexit though. I'm talking about the underlying disillusionment and disenfranchisement that should have helped pave the way for reform but which had already been exploited by UKIP and indeed the right-wing of the Conservative party for their own gains.
Try telling a working-class Brexiteer that the problem all along was right-wing politics and a political system that had ignored them for decades. Much easier to wave a Union Jack and blame the French and the Germans. | |
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