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So you know how some of us (ok me) quesiton the independence of the IOPC... 08:22 - Feb 8 with 688 views

So, the "Independent" office of police complaints met with the West Midlands retired police officers association in January this year. The update they gave their members is below.

https://www.narpowestmidlands.org/branch/birmingham/news/2605

They have agreed to allow ex-police to challenge their findings. I don't get that right - htf is that "independent" ?

According to the Narpo the IOPC "appeared to be quite willing to amend wording / judgements where an individual makes a strong case"

And they "have undertaken to be as empathetic as possible."

Can anyone of our police supporting / apologists tell me of any other cases where those accused of criminal actions get to review the findings before they are published/established?

Or where people accused of criminal actions are treated as empathically as possible?

The cover up over police actions at Hillsborough is on going. And the IOPC (mainly ex police) have demonstrated they are anything but independent.

Passed on the press, but given Police misconduct over Hillsborough is old news, am not expecting much coverage.

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So you know how some of us (ok me) quesiton the independence of the IOPC... on 08:25 - Feb 8 with 662 views

ZXBlue

All it says is that people liable to be named are entitled to make representations (which is surely only fair) and that there is no right of appeal?

So you know how some of us (ok me) quesiton the independence of the IOPC... on 08:38 - Feb 8 with 617 views

bluelagos

So you know how some of us (ok me) quesiton the independence of the IOPC... on 08:25 - Feb 8 by ZXBlue
All it says is that people liable to be named are entitled to make representations (which is surely only fair) and that there is no right of appeal?

As a complainant am I allowed to see, review and make representations to their findings if I don't like them?

Answer, no.

So no, I don't believe that is fair or impartial. I think they should be allowed to challenge them once they are made but the review process is one sided - only those accused are being given that opportunity to influence it.

That doesn't strike me as "Independent" or "impartial".

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So you know how some of us (ok me) quesiton the independence of the IOPC... on 08:45 - Feb 8 with 605 views

Churchman

With regard to you third to last paragraph, this is point 12 and it says in full: ‘IOPC are fully aware many WMP individuals are vulnerable in terms of age, health etc. and have undertaken to be as empathetic as possible.’

So on this point, is this any different to anyone else accused of criminal actions if they are, for example, terminally ill? Is there any point in prosecuting vulnerable people? What constitutes a fair trial if a person cannot answer for themselves? I really don’t have the answer to that or even if point 12 means what I am suggesting it does.

I do wonder though about independence of such commissions in terms of what pressure is applied and from where - internal or political. I only ever had direct experience of an independent police complaints commission once and that was 2008. On my sample of one, the final report was broadly correct. Not much of a sample really.

So you know how some of us (ok me) quesiton the independence of the IOPC... on 08:56 - Feb 8 with 573 views

bluelagos

So you know how some of us (ok me) quesiton the independence of the IOPC... on 08:45 - Feb 8 by Churchman

Chances of any prosecutions (Despite what it says in the link) is pretty much nil.

I say that as the evidence has already been considered and prosecutions did not materialise - so unless they have new evidence that isn't going to happen.

What is happening is that the IOPC are publishing a report - no more. Is like step one of the normal process but without the actual misconduct hearing that would following up - as they are no longer serving police.

So normally the IOPC do their stuff and then decide if "There is a case to answer" at which point the disciplinary process kicks in and the accused would argue their case at the disciplinary.

Here, they are giving those who have complaints made against them (And them only) the opportunity to challenge and change the findings before the findings are published.

So the challenge and changes will only come from one side. I am not to be given the exact same opportunity if I am unhappy with the findings.

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So you know how some of us (ok me) quesiton the independence of the IOPC... on 11:17 - Feb 9 with 474 views

bluelagos

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_merseyside

Headline news at 11. They will be covering it more this afternoon and after 5pm.

Not expecting much more from the media to be honest.

Have also contacted the IOPC and asked whether I am to be told if any review/changes is made to their findings (ref my complaints) and whether I would then also be allowed to make representations like the police have.

Pretty sure we know what their answer will be.

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So you know how some of us (ok me) quesiton the independence of the IOPC... on 17:32 - Feb 9 with 429 views

bluelagos

So you know how some of us (ok me) quesiton the independence of the IOPC... on 11:17 - Feb 9 by bluelagos

So anyone who wishes to hear the piece in starts at 5.10 and is 7 mins long.

Will be on the link for just 2 hours so best be quick.

BL

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So you know how some of us (ok me) quesiton the independence of the IOPC... on 08:50 - Feb 10 with 375 views

bluelagos

https://soundcloud.com/nivaggavin/bbc-report-on-iopc-failings

7 min report - my bit from around half way.

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