| Could Ukraine 23:19 - Mar 5 with 1134 views | cressi |
Fly from nato countries and return to nato countries that ban Russian
Flying in their air space maybe a way round things. I'm sure Putin would love it |  | | |  |
| Could Ukraine on 00:08 - Mar 6 with 1059 views | Guthrum |
Russia would rightly consider that a hostile act, mounting attacks from NATO territory. Moreover, it would probably put that country outside of the protection of the Treaty (which is defensive), as they could initiate conflict with Russia by allowing their bases to be so used. |  |
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| Could Ukraine on 01:33 - Mar 6 with 986 views | RamRob |
| Could Ukraine on 00:08 - Mar 6 by Guthrum |
Russia would rightly consider that a hostile act, mounting attacks from NATO territory. Moreover, it would probably put that country outside of the protection of the Treaty (which is defensive), as they could initiate conflict with Russia by allowing their bases to be so used. |
What if Ukraine annexed said country's air base? |  |
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| Could Ukraine on 01:52 - Mar 6 with 962 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Ah Putin the most mysterious and intolerant man since DaveU | | | |
| Could Ukraine on 09:00 - Mar 6 with 818 views | Churchman |
| Could Ukraine on 00:08 - Mar 6 by Guthrum |
Russia would rightly consider that a hostile act, mounting attacks from NATO territory. Moreover, it would probably put that country outside of the protection of the Treaty (which is defensive), as they could initiate conflict with Russia by allowing their bases to be so used. |
Aside from the above which makes it a no go, sadly, you would have to set up all the logistics and support for the the aircraft in that country too, including spares etc. Ukraine uses Russian types such as Su24, Su25, Su27 which would also be an issue.
Anyway, with its tiny, largely obsolete, Air Force and small army, Poland is hardly going to invite Russia on to itself with an act like that. |  | | |
| Could Ukraine on 09:39 - Mar 6 with 777 views | Guthrum |
| Could Ukraine on 01:33 - Mar 6 by RamRob |
What if Ukraine annexed said country's air base? |
Quite apart from it being extraordinary and unprecendented for something like that to happen, it would then become part of Ukraine, be outside NATO and could subsequently be occupied as a Russian base during or after hostilities. | |
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| Could Ukraine on 09:43 - Mar 6 with 772 views | RamRob |
| Could Ukraine on 09:39 - Mar 6 by Guthrum |
Quite apart from it being extraordinary and unprecendented for something like that to happen, it would then become part of Ukraine, be outside NATO and could subsequently be occupied as a Russian base during or after hostilities. |
But being an exclave would be surrounded by a NATO country so Russia couldn't attack it without crossing into NATO airspace | |
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| Could Ukraine on 10:02 - Mar 6 with 737 views | Guthrum |
| Could Ukraine on 09:43 - Mar 6 by RamRob |
But being an exclave would be surrounded by a NATO country so Russia couldn't attack it without crossing into NATO airspace |
Ukraine also could not cross foreign airspace to conduct operations without that country's permission, thus involving them in the conflict.
The Russians would simply hit the base with long-range missiles and say "what are you going to do about it?". Bear in mind that the West/NATO are looking to end this conflict, not for an excuse to widen it into a larger (and possibly nuclear) one.
A purely practical aspect to this is that bases in friendly countries would put the 'planes hundreds of miles further from the combat zones, thus limiting loiter time and inhibiting quick response for finding and hitting targets of opportunity, such as columns of tanks or attacks in progress.
Also, while Ukraine still has bases in operation (which they must have, to fly at all), there is no need. | |
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| Could Ukraine on 10:10 - Mar 6 with 718 views | Guthrum |
Seems that Putin has now decided to achieve his aim of demilitarising Ukraine by a long, attritional conflict which will eventually grind up all Kyiv's available forces.
Tho I still think it's possible that, once he has taken the south-eastern coastal corridor, he will bank that and shut things down - for now. | |
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| [Redacted] on 10:18 - Mar 6 with 695 views | victorywilhappen |
| Could Ukraine on 10:10 - Mar 6 by Guthrum |
Seems that Putin has now decided to achieve his aim of demilitarising Ukraine by a long, attritional conflict which will eventually grind up all Kyiv's available forces.
Tho I still think it's possible that, once he has taken the south-eastern coastal corridor, he will bank that and shut things down - for now. |
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| Could Ukraine on 10:29 - Mar 6 with 671 views | Guthrum |
Very little has happened west of the Dnieper, apart from what appears to be a push along the coast aimed at Odessa. Which is, of course, the least "Russian" region of Ukraine.
What was the news on SBS? | |
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| [Redacted] on 10:32 - Mar 6 with 651 views | victorywilhappen |
| Could Ukraine on 10:29 - Mar 6 by Guthrum |
Very little has happened west of the Dnieper, apart from what appears to be a push along the coast aimed at Odessa. Which is, of course, the least "Russian" region of Ukraine.
What was the news on SBS? |
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| Could Ukraine on 11:11 - Mar 6 with 601 views | Churchman |
| Could Ukraine on 10:10 - Mar 6 by Guthrum |
Seems that Putin has now decided to achieve his aim of demilitarising Ukraine by a long, attritional conflict which will eventually grind up all Kyiv's available forces.
Tho I still think it's possible that, once he has taken the south-eastern coastal corridor, he will bank that and shut things down - for now. |
Oh, I think he will take the whole of Ukraine now, given it’s taken longer than planned to get where he has. I think that grinding up Ukraine’s forces in the way he has means that at some point they’ll collapse and probably quite suddenly.
Part of the reason for that view is that there has to be a point when Ukraine will know this has to stop. Given it must be clear by now that the west is incapable and unwilling to come to their aid in any meaningful form, continuing resistance just means more death and destruction. The end will be the same.
The west has shown its hand every bit as much as Russia. Poor Ukraine. All they wanted was to be free to make their own choices. All they got was a worthless guarantee and words, including a latest six point plan from Boris. Whoopee. That should make Vlad choke on his cornflakes.
When it’s over, I think Mr Putin will bank Ukraine and have a pause to allow the west to calm their flailing little fists, get Nord2 flowing, a ‘peace conference and treaty’, review how it went in Ukraine and adjust his military accordingly.
This exercise will have been a huge learning curve for his armed forces and will make the next one much easier. | | | |
| Could Ukraine on 14:54 - Mar 6 with 482 views | BlueBadger |
| Could Ukraine on 01:52 - Mar 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Ah Putin the most mysterious and intolerant man since DaveU |
Balls. |  |
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