| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? 09:21 - Jun 28 with 931 views | STYG |
Most of us, if not all of us, could ever change our club. Up or down, Premier League or League One, it's our club and it always will be.
But there were supporters, just like us, that supported Raith Rovers, that were done with them the second they signed Goodwillie. The womens team broke away, Sponsors left. Fans threw away their season ticket. Even football fans have morals.
Which is why I find the whole political support thing so mental. For me politics is pretty simple. You first decide what things you believe in and then look at what each political party believes in. Secondly, you determine whether any of these political parties have had the chance to deliver on their promises or have broken them. Thirdly, you determine if the party you want to support can't potentially win a seat and make those changes, who you try and vote for instead.
By contrast, we get these people now that support Labour or support the Tories. WTF? How is that even a thing. If I'd voted Tory all my life I sure as hell wouldn't be doing so now. Plenty of Labour voters moved to Tory over Brexit and the lies told. But there seems to be this genuine hardcore support which is sickening where people pick a political party and then allow their beliefs to be adaptable to fit around their policies.
There are genuinely people in this county supporting a political party so loyally that I reckon they could make it policy to eat babies or something and they'd argue that it's probably a good idea because we do need to create less mouths to feed or something.
It was always football fans that were unwaivering in their support and politics was about manifestos. At what point did it almost become the other way round! |  | | |  |
| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 09:23 - Jun 28 with 905 views | unbelievablue |
I’ve voted Liberal, Labour and Green in my life, as well as spoiling the ballot.
I can’t envisage myself ever voting Tory. |  |
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| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 09:28 - Jun 28 with 873 views | Guthrum |
Some time in the 19th century. Solidified by the mid 20th.
Just currently there are fewer ideological differences between the largest parties than there used to be and the socioeconomic backgrounds which historically pushed people into supporting one or the other have largely dissolved, leaving it more of a habit. |  |
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| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 09:34 - Jun 28 with 833 views | DanTheMan |
| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 09:23 - Jun 28 by unbelievablue |
I’ve voted Liberal, Labour and Green in my life, as well as spoiling the ballot.
I can’t envisage myself ever voting Tory. |
Same three for me as well. |  |
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| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 09:37 - Jun 28 with 822 views | Fixed_It |
We had friends round at the weekend and one of them is a staunch Tory. Inadvisably the conversation touched upon politics, and he found himself defending the undefendable ie. it was OK for Boris to have 'parties' because they were to do with work! He ended up walking out (mainly because his wife told him to wind his neck in!), but it just illustrates that some people will swallow the party line even when it is obvious that the party line is treating everyone else like mugs. |  |
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| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 09:41 - Jun 28 with 798 views | unbelievablue |
| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 09:34 - Jun 28 by DanTheMan |
Same three for me as well. |
I wouldn't rule it out, but right now they are about as far away from a party I could vote for as I could imagine. | |
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| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 09:43 - Jun 28 with 791 views | STYG |
| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 09:34 - Jun 28 by DanTheMan |
Same three for me as well. |
That's the thing though isn't it.
I could see myself voting for Labour, Libs or the Greens. Would depend on what they were offering but likely I'd favour one of those three.
Then it would become about two of them having no chance and just stopping the Tories from doing more damage.
But the whole point of politics should be looking at what these parties offer and voting based on your values and what you want in the world. Not having loyalty to a party and allowing your values to change to fit what they deliver. | | | |
| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 09:59 - Jun 28 with 747 views | WeWereZombies |
| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 09:43 - Jun 28 by STYG |
That's the thing though isn't it.
I could see myself voting for Labour, Libs or the Greens. Would depend on what they were offering but likely I'd favour one of those three.
Then it would become about two of them having no chance and just stopping the Tories from doing more damage.
But the whole point of politics should be looking at what these parties offer and voting based on your values and what you want in the world. Not having loyalty to a party and allowing your values to change to fit what they deliver. |
That's party politics but the way democracy evolved in the United Kingdom means that we have a representative system based on constituencies. In theory you should go into the ballot box having had an extensive dialogue with other constituents. maybe even have been to speeches by the various candidates, and vote for the person who you think will do the best job of representing the interests of the community and the nations. I cannot see things improving until the stranglehold of the political parties is broken - which may happen sooner than we think if predictions of impending environmental disasters are even a fraction as bad as calculated. |  |
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| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 10:43 - Jun 28 with 651 views | BonneNIL |
| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 09:23 - Jun 28 by unbelievablue |
I’ve voted Liberal, Labour and Green in my life, as well as spoiling the ballot.
I can’t envisage myself ever voting Tory. |
It's akin to the same thing these days. |  |
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| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 10:46 - Jun 28 with 639 views | unbelievablue |
| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 10:43 - Jun 28 by BonneNIL |
It's akin to the same thing these days. |
Labour have lurched centrist under Starmer but it is still chalk and cheese between them and the Conservatives, in my opinion. Even more so Green-Tory. | |
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| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 10:47 - Jun 28 with 631 views | Darth_Koont |
As others have suggested, it’s because the tangible differences between the main parties are fairly negligible nowadays. Certainly in substantive policy terms.
Largely devoid of evidence-based policy discussions and differentiation, then politics is reduced to a game where politicians jockey for position and try to “land blows”. Our media seems to have adopted this as a way of producing cheap and not so cheerful content, and pretending that the “intrigue” of these soap characters is important or indeed interesting.
Reduced to the levels of some navel-gazing game where everything is subjective then it’s no surprise that many of the public follows suit with their football team type of support. But that’s also the democratic and real-life void that workers and their unions are now filling so maybe the public’s own standards can elevate the debate.
One thing’s for sure, the standard of our politicians – and our collective opinion about them – has never been lower. Politicians may feel secure enough in the establishment to resist that and keep serving themselves and their friends’ interests but as we’ve seen with Scottish Independence, UKIP/Brexit and indeed Corbyn turning the Labour ship around in 2017, change happens when the public is engaged and the main parties have to follow. |  |
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| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 11:01 - Jun 28 with 587 views | Darth_Koont |
| When did politics become so aligned with supporting a football team? on 10:46 - Jun 28 by unbelievablue |
Labour have lurched centrist under Starmer but it is still chalk and cheese between them and the Conservatives, in my opinion. Even more so Green-Tory. |
I think they’ve gone further right than that.
On the economy, foreign policy, worker’s rights, minimum wage, minorities, NHS, immigration etc. there are only subtle differences between them and the Tories. And sometimes they even pitch further to the right as with corporation tax.
And easily as untrustworthy and self-serving as Boris’s crowd. The lies of Starmer’s leadership campaign rank higher than the £350 million nonsense on the side of a bus – because we’re effectively talking about 10 lies/pledges that they must have known were disposable given the leadership have now effectively distanced themselves from every single one.
A UK opposition party whose response to the world in 2022 and the Tory record in government is to pitch right is a disaster for the UK. Even electorally, it’s shaky as it’s relying on an awful PM and cabinet rather than any inherent appeal or resonance with voters on the party’s own merits. | |
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