| Excellent from Clive Lewis. 21:05 - Sep 16 with 1034 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/16/idea-of-monarchy-as-symbol-of-d
"Seeking to extrapolate lessons from the phenomenon for those, like him, who seek a transition to a republic, Lewis argued that media interviews with the mourners often showed a key motivation was the “need to feel part of something more than themselves”.
The “fundamental truth” about the monarchy, he argued, was its role as a national distraction. “It is a spectacle exalted for exemplifying virtues that should be typical in public life and public behaviour. Casting such behaviour as exceptional allows the likes of Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and the economic elites they represent to break and exploit the rules for their own benefit and that of their very narrow class interest — of which the monarchy is an integral part.”
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| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 10:33 - Sep 17 with 792 views | leitrimblue |
Is indeed |  | | |
| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 11:09 - Sep 17 with 720 views | GlasgowBlue |
With all due respect to Mr Lewis, I prefer to listen to the most distinguished Labour politician, Clement Attlee.
“[he had] taken part in bringing about a number of changes in British society. But there is one feature of it which I have never felt any urge to abolish, and that is the monarchy”
“ The monarchy attracts to itself the kind of sentimental loyalty that might otherwise go to the leader of a faction. There is, therefore, far less danger of the people being carried away by a Hitler, Mussolini or even a de Gaulle."
“ A president, however popular, is bound to have been chosen as representative of some political trend, and as such is open to attack from those of a different view,” he wrote. “A monarch is a kind of referee, although the occasions when he or she has to blow the whistle are nowadays very few.” |  |
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| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 11:18 - Sep 17 with 686 views | Darth_Koont |
| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 11:09 - Sep 17 by GlasgowBlue |
With all due respect to Mr Lewis, I prefer to listen to the most distinguished Labour politician, Clement Attlee.
“[he had] taken part in bringing about a number of changes in British society. But there is one feature of it which I have never felt any urge to abolish, and that is the monarchy”
“ The monarchy attracts to itself the kind of sentimental loyalty that might otherwise go to the leader of a faction. There is, therefore, far less danger of the people being carried away by a Hitler, Mussolini or even a de Gaulle."
“ A president, however popular, is bound to have been chosen as representative of some political trend, and as such is open to attack from those of a different view,” he wrote. “A monarch is a kind of referee, although the occasions when he or she has to blow the whistle are nowadays very few.” |
You can't learn from the past if you don't understand the present. |  |
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| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 12:13 - Sep 17 with 601 views | Churchman |
| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 11:18 - Sep 17 by Darth_Koont |
You can't learn from the past if you don't understand the present. |
You can’t understand the present unless you’ve learnt from the past.
Past, present, future are all interconnected.
As for Lewis’ article, it’s timing was awful. Why now? Labour MPs were asked not to engage in this way for good reason. It could only be of benefit to the tories and surely the only priority is to get rid of these dreadful people - not give them anything.
As the U.K. disintegrates in the next few years, there will be plenty of time for this debate. |  | | |
| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 12:19 - Sep 17 with 582 views | Darth_Koont |
| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 12:13 - Sep 17 by Churchman |
You can’t understand the present unless you’ve learnt from the past.
Past, present, future are all interconnected.
As for Lewis’ article, it’s timing was awful. Why now? Labour MPs were asked not to engage in this way for good reason. It could only be of benefit to the tories and surely the only priority is to get rid of these dreadful people - not give them anything.
As the U.K. disintegrates in the next few years, there will be plenty of time for this debate. |
I think this is the perfect time for the debate. The death of the Queen is a potential turning point for the country. Good or bad. | |
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| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 12:26 - Sep 17 with 553 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 11:09 - Sep 17 by GlasgowBlue |
With all due respect to Mr Lewis, I prefer to listen to the most distinguished Labour politician, Clement Attlee.
“[he had] taken part in bringing about a number of changes in British society. But there is one feature of it which I have never felt any urge to abolish, and that is the monarchy”
“ The monarchy attracts to itself the kind of sentimental loyalty that might otherwise go to the leader of a faction. There is, therefore, far less danger of the people being carried away by a Hitler, Mussolini or even a de Gaulle."
“ A president, however popular, is bound to have been chosen as representative of some political trend, and as such is open to attack from those of a different view,” he wrote. “A monarch is a kind of referee, although the occasions when he or she has to blow the whistle are nowadays very few.” |
“ The monarchy attracts to itself the kind of sentimental loyalty that might otherwise go to the leader of a faction. There is, therefore, far less danger of the people being carried away by a Hitler, Mussolini or even a de Gaulle."
What difference does a royal family make? It didn’t stop Mussolini’s rise in Italy? Not the outbreak of WW1 with the militarism of the Kaiser and Prussian gernerals who ironically was related to the Queen and her ancestors. |  | | |
| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 12:30 - Sep 17 with 539 views | leitrimblue |
| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 11:18 - Sep 17 by Darth_Koont |
You can't learn from the past if you don't understand the present. |
Good line. You considered a future in archaeology? | | | |
| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 12:35 - Sep 17 with 530 views | Churchman |
| Excellent from Clive Lewis. on 12:19 - Sep 17 by Darth_Koont |
I think this is the perfect time for the debate. The death of the Queen is a potential turning point for the country. Good or bad. |
I’ll have to disagree with you there. Maybe in a month or twos time when the dust and emotions have settled, but not now in my view.
I don’t think Charles pitching up makes any difference. He will just do what his mother did. I don’t think he will (or can) change very much. Helicoptering around on a tide of goodwill and ditching some of the luggage is as far as it’ll go. Change will come soon enough. | | | |
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