| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 12:53 - Jul 9 with 1332 views | thatbdude |
The government would rather fund a war thats going to cause more divide in a already divided society than poverty and homelessness. Why? because the rich get richer while the poor get poorer.
Shows how corrupt and bias the current government we have (and many others) really are |  |
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| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 13:37 - Jul 9 with 1275 views | Swansea_Blue |
You can substitute that for any industry with ££ to spend on government contracts or with insider info. What’s gone on in healthcare should be enough to see people in prison for fraud and embezzlement. I hate to think what’s going on in the finance sector (I bet Odey is the top of the iceberg). |  |
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| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 16:04 - Jul 9 with 1185 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 13:37 - Jul 9 by Swansea_Blue |
You can substitute that for any industry with ££ to spend on government contracts or with insider info. What’s gone on in healthcare should be enough to see people in prison for fraud and embezzlement. I hate to think what’s going on in the finance sector (I bet Odey is the top of the iceberg). |
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/09/revealed-shares-held-in-secret- |  |
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| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 16:27 - Jul 9 with 1157 views | TresBonne |
| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 12:53 - Jul 9 by thatbdude |
The government would rather fund a war thats going to cause more divide in a already divided society than poverty and homelessness. Why? because the rich get richer while the poor get poorer.
Shows how corrupt and bias the current government we have (and many others) really are |
The world is designed in such a way that people never really look up and realise we're getting fcked. Everyone's designed to hate each other. Races, genders, sexualities the lot. |  | | |
| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 16:50 - Jul 9 with 1132 views | HARRY10 |
The way to make things better, squeak the not too bright, is to have less accountability. Let head office decide who will be your MP after the vote, and then to probably ignore much of the policies voted on, so as to enjoy a well paid ministerial job.
Whereas examples like this show where the REAL reform is needed. Any shareholding above say £1000 should be declared. It does not have to be made public, it can be kept on a private register held by Parliament.
The onus would be on MPS to declare an interest, on pain of being named and suspended.
Why do you think MPS are invited to corporate hospitality ? For their sparkling wit, their good looks. Or maybe it's those that are known to be compliant who are asked along. What could be wrong with sharing your 'thoughts' on up and coming legislation, especially when you have had a cracking day out at Ascot/Wimbledon/Wembley/Glynbourne etc.
Time to clean up the political system by taking away temptation - and removing those who facilitate it... Rees-Mogg/Johnson (see Owen Paterson). However, there is a naughty TV presenter to get excited about, so corruption in our political world can be ignored.
Until some rag tells us we have to be angry. |  | | |
| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 17:03 - Jul 9 with 1124 views | WeWereZombies |
| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 16:27 - Jul 9 by TresBonne |
The world is designed in such a way that people never really look up and realise we're getting fcked. Everyone's designed to hate each other. Races, genders, sexualities the lot. |
The World is almost certainly not designed, it is the result of forces that have been spinning out since the Big Bang. That doesn't mean that we have no control though, the more forcefully individuals act and the more adeptly we inform ourselves prior to action the more we can coordinate action to improve things. |  |
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| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 18:17 - Jul 9 with 1070 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 16:50 - Jul 9 by HARRY10 |
The way to make things better, squeak the not too bright, is to have less accountability. Let head office decide who will be your MP after the vote, and then to probably ignore much of the policies voted on, so as to enjoy a well paid ministerial job.
Whereas examples like this show where the REAL reform is needed. Any shareholding above say £1000 should be declared. It does not have to be made public, it can be kept on a private register held by Parliament.
The onus would be on MPS to declare an interest, on pain of being named and suspended.
Why do you think MPS are invited to corporate hospitality ? For their sparkling wit, their good looks. Or maybe it's those that are known to be compliant who are asked along. What could be wrong with sharing your 'thoughts' on up and coming legislation, especially when you have had a cracking day out at Ascot/Wimbledon/Wembley/Glynbourne etc.
Time to clean up the political system by taking away temptation - and removing those who facilitate it... Rees-Mogg/Johnson (see Owen Paterson). However, there is a naughty TV presenter to get excited about, so corruption in our political world can be ignored.
Until some rag tells us we have to be angry. |
Making much needed changes to transparency rules and much needed reforms to our voting system are not mutually exclusive.
"Head office" already decide who my MP will be. |  |
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| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 21:00 - Jul 9 with 982 views | HARRY10 |
| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 18:17 - Jul 9 by You_Bloo_Right |
Making much needed changes to transparency rules and much needed reforms to our voting system are not mutually exclusive.
"Head office" already decide who my MP will be. |
The idea of any voting reform is to improve matters, not set them back further.
Perhaps you could explain how PR would have made the slightest difference in your living memory.
It would not, merely concentrates the power in those at the top, and hands decisions of who should govern to a handful of people, as in 2010.
i would welcome an answer, since having put these points to the not too bright PR'ers I have at best been told it would.... err somehow be more fair...........and errr.....umm
It is rather like VAR where similarly simple folk thought it would improve the game, as you cannot argue with technology. Last nights penalty for Spain, yet again dispelled that myth | | | |
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| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 23:45 - Jul 9 with 940 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| We're being robbed....how to kill people edition. on 21:00 - Jul 9 by HARRY10 |
The idea of any voting reform is to improve matters, not set them back further.
Perhaps you could explain how PR would have made the slightest difference in your living memory.
It would not, merely concentrates the power in those at the top, and hands decisions of who should govern to a handful of people, as in 2010.
i would welcome an answer, since having put these points to the not too bright PR'ers I have at best been told it would.... err somehow be more fair...........and errr.....umm
It is rather like VAR where similarly simple folk thought it would improve the game, as you cannot argue with technology. Last nights penalty for Spain, yet again dispelled that myth |
It is not a question of being more "fair" but simply more representative and thus more accurately reflecting the "will of the nation" (a tenuous idea but nevertheless one on which any democratic system is surely founded).
Year Seats Leading Party seatsFPTP Seats under PR
1959 630 365 311
1964 630 317 278
1966 630 364 302
1970 630 330 292
1974 630 298 234
1974 635 319 249
1979 635 339 279
1983 650 397 276
1987 650 376 274
1992 651 336 273
1997 659 419 285
2001 659 413 268
2005 646 356 227
2010 650 306 235
2015 650 331 239
2017 650 322 275
2019 650 365 283
The disparity between percentage of votes secured and percentage of seats won under FPTP is just yet another reason for the electorate to be disillusioned with our voting system. Before the last decade or so I may have been confident that a simple change of voting system would have seen an increase in voter turnout but clearly there is much more work to do in other areas. That should not prevent corrections being made to a centuries old system that I believe has become unfit for purpose.
As to what difference this would have made I am surpised that a law graduate would ask me to speculate. How could we possibly know? But perhaps a more proportional distribution of parliamentary seats would have curtailed some of the more extreme policies enacted by governments over the years. Take your pick - Beeching, privatisation, illegal entry into war, austerity, a plebiscite to leave an organisation that we might not have joined. Maybe all these things would still have happened. But whether they would have happened or not perhaps we would have been able to honestly say that we got the governments we deserved - whilst this is a common phrase now it has rarely been true.
You make much play of "horse trading" and power being concentrated in the hands of a few people at the head of political parties as if this somehow does not happen now. How do you suppose candidates are chosen to stand for poltical parties at present? What "negotiations" take place between the various party's whips?
You have also gone to great pains many times to tell us why you think PR is bad (without actually having looked, it seems, at the variants in PR systems and forming a critique of each) - a sort of "FPTP good, PR bad" polemic. So perhaps you could tell us what is so good about the clearly unjust FPTP system - a false analogy with VAR just doesn't cut it I'm afraid.
(edited for spelling - and apologies, I seem unable to format a table so it is easy to read on here) [Post edited 9 Jul 2023 23:59]
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