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This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 22:03 - Jul 17 by WeWereZombies
Here he is with a link to connect to my MC50 thread (The song, if not the performance, is almost from the 1980s.)
Fantastic.
I hadn't realised that background to the Clash song, which incidentally appears on the US version of the Clash's debut album, a copy of which I bought in New York in 1979 and still have.
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This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 11:07 - Jul 18 with 2073 views
D C Lee has a new album coming out later this year (I think) on Acid Jazz. She will do well to top or equal See the Day but I expect that there will be some decent tunes on it.
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This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 09:00 - Jul 22 with 1898 views
Sorry, I derailed this thread a bit with my sudden Wayne Kramer obsession. By way of correction can I get back on track (due to listening to the Paul Weller 'Mastertapes' yesterday, only taken me almost eleven years... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b01nxh35 ) with this early Eighties song. Wonder if this was written for Dee C Lee ?
This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 09:00 - Jul 22 by WeWereZombies
Sorry, I derailed this thread a bit with my sudden Wayne Kramer obsession. By way of correction can I get back on track (due to listening to the Paul Weller 'Mastertapes' yesterday, only taken me almost eleven years... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b01nxh35 ) with this early Eighties song. Wonder if this was written for Dee C Lee ?
DC Lee was with Wham when The Gift was released and didn't work with Weller until 1984, so not written for her.
This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 10:08 - Jul 22 by GlasgowBlue
DC Lee was with Wham when The Gift was released and didn't work with Weller until 1984, so not written for her.
My idle wondering was just about their personal relationship rather then their working relationship. I know that the song was written five or six years before they married (Weller talks about writing in a nook in a small hallway in a small flat he had in Pimlico during the Mastertapes) but too early for him to fancy someone singing in another band ?
This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 13:53 - Jul 22 by WeWereZombies
My idle wondering was just about their personal relationship rather then their working relationship. I know that the song was written five or six years before they married (Weller talks about writing in a nook in a small hallway in a small flat he had in Pimlico during the Mastertapes) but too early for him to fancy someone singing in another band ?
I hate to disappoint you but the lyrics are about Maggie Thatcher and the music, if I recall correctly, is based on the end credits slow version of the Sweeney theme song.
This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 14:11 - Jul 22 by GlasgowBlue
I hate to disappoint you but the lyrics are about Maggie Thatcher and the music, if I recall correctly, is based on the end credits slow version of the Sweeney theme song.
Yeah, I've had another listen (don't see 'The Sweeney' connection) and certainly not a conventional love song, and looking at the lyrics Weller is beating himself up about something, the final couplet is very bitter (I guess I have to pint out here that I am not suggesting it is some kind of love song to Thatcher here either...) I did Google to see if there is a WIkipedia page on the song but all I could find was an entry that corroborated your opinion that the lyrics are about Thatcher but be careful about taking things verbatim from the internet. The words contain a lot of references to that decade of unbound materialism but I see it as about the effect it had upon us at individuals as much as about the power that was elected in at the end of the previous decade.
It chimes with me and the sense of slight self-loathing I had because I was getting materially better myself for most of the decade (until interest rates went haywire) and the things Weller talks about in Mastertales (Side A) rang bells. His Dad being the 'Five O'Clock Hero' despite being a lowly hod carrier (here there was a nod to TV with the title being a satire on the 'Honey, I'm home' of in his words cod Seventies sitcoms, the familiar successful group tale of being top of the charts but getting a relatively frugal wage (hence the tiny flat - but it was in Pimlico), the grim memories of Woking that he summoned up for 'Town Called Malice'. Be interesting to see if he plays 'Carnation' and talks about it on 'Mastertapes (Side B)' but I'm gearing up for a trip south and struggling to get through iPlayer stuff before I go so that will have to wait. Maybe I will get a chance to listen to some Style Council too and find a way out of lousing up Noggin's Dee C Lee thread...
This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 19:54 - Jul 22 by WeWereZombies
Yeah, I've had another listen (don't see 'The Sweeney' connection) and certainly not a conventional love song, and looking at the lyrics Weller is beating himself up about something, the final couplet is very bitter (I guess I have to pint out here that I am not suggesting it is some kind of love song to Thatcher here either...) I did Google to see if there is a WIkipedia page on the song but all I could find was an entry that corroborated your opinion that the lyrics are about Thatcher but be careful about taking things verbatim from the internet. The words contain a lot of references to that decade of unbound materialism but I see it as about the effect it had upon us at individuals as much as about the power that was elected in at the end of the previous decade.
It chimes with me and the sense of slight self-loathing I had because I was getting materially better myself for most of the decade (until interest rates went haywire) and the things Weller talks about in Mastertales (Side A) rang bells. His Dad being the 'Five O'Clock Hero' despite being a lowly hod carrier (here there was a nod to TV with the title being a satire on the 'Honey, I'm home' of in his words cod Seventies sitcoms, the familiar successful group tale of being top of the charts but getting a relatively frugal wage (hence the tiny flat - but it was in Pimlico), the grim memories of Woking that he summoned up for 'Town Called Malice'. Be interesting to see if he plays 'Carnation' and talks about it on 'Mastertapes (Side B)' but I'm gearing up for a trip south and struggling to get through iPlayer stuff before I go so that will have to wait. Maybe I will get a chance to listen to some Style Council too and find a way out of lousing up Noggin's Dee C Lee thread...
I remember the Thatcher connection from when it came out in 82. And I'm sure I read in the NME or Melody Maker at the time about the chords being based on the the Sweeney closing theme.
A lot of Jam fans hate the Style Council (Lucan being one of them). But I saw the project as a natural progression.
Weller could still summon up the piss and vinegar with songs like Money Go Round and Walls Come Tumbling Down, but he also produced some really beautiful music as well.
When I heard this as a 19 year old, I wanted to go to Paris and sit outside a cafe and watch the world go by.
This is beautiful as well. A lovely duet with Dee.
I know it's a big shout and many will laugh, but for me, TSC were so much better than The Jam. Musically and stylishly, they were way ahead of their time.
This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 19:54 - Jul 22 by WeWereZombies
Yeah, I've had another listen (don't see 'The Sweeney' connection) and certainly not a conventional love song, and looking at the lyrics Weller is beating himself up about something, the final couplet is very bitter (I guess I have to pint out here that I am not suggesting it is some kind of love song to Thatcher here either...) I did Google to see if there is a WIkipedia page on the song but all I could find was an entry that corroborated your opinion that the lyrics are about Thatcher but be careful about taking things verbatim from the internet. The words contain a lot of references to that decade of unbound materialism but I see it as about the effect it had upon us at individuals as much as about the power that was elected in at the end of the previous decade.
It chimes with me and the sense of slight self-loathing I had because I was getting materially better myself for most of the decade (until interest rates went haywire) and the things Weller talks about in Mastertales (Side A) rang bells. His Dad being the 'Five O'Clock Hero' despite being a lowly hod carrier (here there was a nod to TV with the title being a satire on the 'Honey, I'm home' of in his words cod Seventies sitcoms, the familiar successful group tale of being top of the charts but getting a relatively frugal wage (hence the tiny flat - but it was in Pimlico), the grim memories of Woking that he summoned up for 'Town Called Malice'. Be interesting to see if he plays 'Carnation' and talks about it on 'Mastertapes (Side B)' but I'm gearing up for a trip south and struggling to get through iPlayer stuff before I go so that will have to wait. Maybe I will get a chance to listen to some Style Council too and find a way out of lousing up Noggin's Dee C Lee thread...
This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 20:07 - Jul 22 by GlasgowBlue
I remember the Thatcher connection from when it came out in 82. And I'm sure I read in the NME or Melody Maker at the time about the chords being based on the the Sweeney closing theme.
A lot of Jam fans hate the Style Council (Lucan being one of them). But I saw the project as a natural progression.
Weller could still summon up the piss and vinegar with songs like Money Go Round and Walls Come Tumbling Down, but he also produced some really beautiful music as well.
When I heard this as a 19 year old, I wanted to go to Paris and sit outside a cafe and watch the world go by.
This is beautiful as well. A lovely duet with Dee.
He couldn't have done these in the Jam.
OK, I was thinking of the opening to 'The Sweeney', I see the connection now.
I'm still thinking on about the Thatcher thing though, I see it as a more general comment on the wave of Capitalist thinking that was ushered in firstly in the USA by Milton Friedman and then picked up over here by Alan Walters (in some ways a controlling influence on Thatcher) as well as the the 'Big Bang' of the Stock Exchange deregulation. We got swept along whether we liked it or not. A song can work on many levels and my initial take of Weller despising himself and saying he wasn't good enough for the girl because he succumbed to the greed like everyone else is an analysis from now rather than then. I loved the 'Sound Affects' album but had moved on to other bands by 1982 and only really knew 'Town Called Malice' from 'The Gift'.
I'm almost in the Noggin camp of liking The Style Council more as I spent too much time in a car between Wealdstone and Uxbridge (home to work commute) during 1983 and 'The Long Hot Summer' always seemed to be on the radio when I was stuck in sweltering heat on the A40, it was a very calming influence. But I didn't buy the 12" single so missed out on 'The Paris Match'. The power of songs to release long buried memories, eh ?
This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 20:07 - Jul 22 by GlasgowBlue
I remember the Thatcher connection from when it came out in 82. And I'm sure I read in the NME or Melody Maker at the time about the chords being based on the the Sweeney closing theme.
A lot of Jam fans hate the Style Council (Lucan being one of them). But I saw the project as a natural progression.
Weller could still summon up the piss and vinegar with songs like Money Go Round and Walls Come Tumbling Down, but he also produced some really beautiful music as well.
When I heard this as a 19 year old, I wanted to go to Paris and sit outside a cafe and watch the world go by.
This is beautiful as well. A lovely duet with Dee.
He couldn't have done these in the Jam.
I don't "Hate" The Style Council - I just don't have much time for Paul Weller.
It's complicated.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 20:28 - Jul 22 by noggin
Carnation was and is my favourite Jam track.
On the back of this thread I had a listen to the Liam Gallagher / Steve Craddock (with Weller on keyboards) version and was not so taken with it, then I found this version. Different.
This is the 80s. Brilliant! on 11:45 - Jul 25 by WeWereZombies
On the back of this thread I had a listen to the Liam Gallagher / Steve Craddock (with Weller on keyboards) version and was not so taken with it, then I found this version. Different.
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