| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. 09:19 - May 12 with 2161 views | ArnieM |
The quickest way to end the ridiculous free for all in the penalty box at corners, is for the refs to blow his whistle and hand out 3-4 yellow cards…. Commence play, fouls re committed, second bookings and OFF. Yes it’ll make the game a 5 a side for a few games but the game is a farce in its current state anyway. Players being banned (several players in a team) for a game or two will sharpen the mind if they know they will be booked and eventually sent off. This is totally down to the players. |  |
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| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:21 - May 12 with 1870 views | soupytwist |
You are Mick Mills speaking on Radio Suffolk after Saturday's game and I claim my £5. |  | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:24 - May 12 with 1851 views | ArnieM |
lol is that what he said? Seriously? Well that’s good enough for me then.
Seriously though, I don’t know about others on here, but I’m sick t9 death of watching this in our game now, and the saddest part is it’s coached into the game. You only have to watch back games from say 10 years ago , and it rarely happens. | |
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| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:39 - May 12 with 1759 views | soupytwist |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:24 - May 12 by ArnieM |
lol is that what he said? Seriously? Well that’s good enough for me then.
Seriously though, I don’t know about others on here, but I’m sick t9 death of watching this in our game now, and the saddest part is it’s coached into the game. You only have to watch back games from say 10 years ago , and it rarely happens. |
Pretty much. He also told an anecdote about how, when assistant manager to Trevor Francis at Birmingham in the early 2000s, the manager and coaching team had their customary pre-season chat with a referee about how the coming season's games would be officiated. The ref told them that there would be zero tolerance for holding and grappling at corners in the new season, with offenders booked.
Once the ref left, someone asked if they thought it would really happen and Francis basically said no chance, we'll carry on as usual and see if it happens. It didn't happen. | | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:49 - May 12 with 1701 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
Even better still just let the corner happen like they should and if there is a foul give a free kick or penalty accordingly. It’s all very simple. Why is a corner suddenly refereed in a different way to any other aspect of the game. Players shouldn’t be given advice on what can and can’t do in play. Let the corner happen and penalise accordingly if a foul has been committed. It’s not rocket science. |  | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:58 - May 12 with 1652 views | Exiled2Surrey |
How about making a rule that the players just have their hands behind their back until the ball is in play - they do this already when defending a cross in open play just in case they commit inadvertent handball, so this will not be a difficult skill to adopt. | | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:58 - May 12 with 1652 views | BseaBlue |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:49 - May 12 by E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
Even better still just let the corner happen like they should and if there is a foul give a free kick or penalty accordingly. It’s all very simple. Why is a corner suddenly refereed in a different way to any other aspect of the game. Players shouldn’t be given advice on what can and can’t do in play. Let the corner happen and penalise accordingly if a foul has been committed. It’s not rocket science. |
That is the issue though I believe.
If you read the rules, there is a stipulation that if both players are pushing/pulling it isn't a foul, so no freekick or penalty given. As everyone is now doing it, I'd imagine it is nearly impossible for the ref to decide who the main culprit is. |  | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:58 - May 12 with 1648 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
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| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 10:01 - May 12 with 1636 views | Garv |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:49 - May 12 by E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
Even better still just let the corner happen like they should and if there is a foul give a free kick or penalty accordingly. It’s all very simple. Why is a corner suddenly refereed in a different way to any other aspect of the game. Players shouldn’t be given advice on what can and can’t do in play. Let the corner happen and penalise accordingly if a foul has been committed. It’s not rocket science. |
It's not simple though.
I said this on another post. If you do what you're suggesting, you're giving all the power to the attacking team. They can man handle, grapple, do anything they want basically - all that will happen if they get caught is a free kick for the defending team. It's worth the risk because if you get into enough of a scrap then there's a good chance the defender will foul you eventually and it'll look worse on him.
And if defenders stop being physical completely i.e remove the risk of giving away a penalty, then they'll just concede a shed load of goals. Although I suppose that's what we want.
I don't think it's simple though. |  |
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| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 10:02 - May 12 with 1631 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:49 - May 12 by E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
Even better still just let the corner happen like they should and if there is a foul give a free kick or penalty accordingly. It’s all very simple. Why is a corner suddenly refereed in a different way to any other aspect of the game. Players shouldn’t be given advice on what can and can’t do in play. Let the corner happen and penalise accordingly if a foul has been committed. It’s not rocket science. |
As I mentioned yesterday and Joe on BM also led with, it doesnt really solve the problem as the punishment is completely asymmetric - you are much more likely to take a risk as an attacking team if the only downside is a defensive free-kick versus the defending team where the dowwnside is a penalty - so that approach very much favours the attacking side | | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 10:09 - May 12 with 1575 views | bournemouthblue |
It's not the first time we have had this, Brighton seemed to be particularly ridiculous at corners as well
Arsenal to some extent are the masters of this but teams seem to have worked them out a bit now |  |
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| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 11:02 - May 12 with 1401 views | southnorfolkblue |
The bit I can't get my head around is that a foul cannot be committed until the ball is in play, which makes no sense to me. If an attacker goes and puts himself in front of the keeper but actually faces the keeper rather than the ball I would just blow it up as obstruction there and then. Get players facing the ball rather than opponents would be a start | |
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| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 11:20 - May 12 with 1326 views | Linners |
What about all defenders must start in the six yard box and all attackers must start outside of the area, until the ball is kicked? Bit like a short corner in hockey.
As Joe said on BM, top end football is now just professional cheating, so I'm sure whatever happens it'll be abused asap. Refereeing a corner must be a nightmare. |  | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 11:32 - May 12 with 1283 views | Vaughan8 |
Everytime Arsenal get a corner the camera goes to the set piece coach........as if he's a master. Arsenal basically cheat at corners by blocking/holding people but don't seem to get caught out.
So in a way, this stuff is being praised.
Other than giving yellows out, i'm not entirely sure how to stop it. | | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 11:35 - May 12 with 1272 views | Reuser_is_God |
Set piece coaches should be banned.
If you want to watch a set piece game go & watch rugby union. |  |
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| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 11:54 - May 12 with 1206 views | PhilTWTD |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:58 - May 12 by BseaBlue |
That is the issue though I believe.
If you read the rules, there is a stipulation that if both players are pushing/pulling it isn't a foul, so no freekick or penalty given. As everyone is now doing it, I'd imagine it is nearly impossible for the ref to decide who the main culprit is. |
Indeed. I think referees in the past would just have waited for the ball to come over and blown up for a free-kick as it would have been impossible to make an accurate decision.
I do think that referees being able to award penalties/free-kicks for clashes which happen at corners before the ball is in play - as per the two incidents prior to their goal on Saturday - might make some impact. |  | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 12:28 - May 12 with 1098 views | PhilTWTD |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 10:01 - May 12 by Garv |
It's not simple though.
I said this on another post. If you do what you're suggesting, you're giving all the power to the attacking team. They can man handle, grapple, do anything they want basically - all that will happen if they get caught is a free kick for the defending team. It's worth the risk because if you get into enough of a scrap then there's a good chance the defender will foul you eventually and it'll look worse on him.
And if defenders stop being physical completely i.e remove the risk of giving away a penalty, then they'll just concede a shed load of goals. Although I suppose that's what we want.
I don't think it's simple though. |
That's what's happening at the moment, isn't it? I'm sure Brentford anticipate that VAR will take a look at a couple of incidents a game and one in however many will lead to a penalty. | | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 12:35 - May 12 with 1071 views | monty_radio |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:58 - May 12 by BseaBlue |
That is the issue though I believe.
If you read the rules, there is a stipulation that if both players are pushing/pulling it isn't a foul, so no freekick or penalty given. As everyone is now doing it, I'd imagine it is nearly impossible for the ref to decide who the main culprit is. |
But now that the refs and all the ex-players on co-comms, seem to see a certain amount of push-pull as acceptable or even, in the case of the old pros, desirable, in the modern game, the authorities need to step back and consider what they want to see.
While it was Greaves' rugby tackle that caught everyone's attention, the Brentford attackers seem to have a free pass to begin the fun by pushing any defender who stood in their way, although, according to the rules, it's not illegal just to stand your ground. But it gives the attacker a passport to trying his luck without jeopardy, while , for the defender, there's always the lurking threat of a penalty. | |
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| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 12:47 - May 12 with 1034 views | runaround |
An issue with this however they try to deal with this is the lack of consistency from Referees including VAR with the decisions seemingly differing from week to week depending on who the officials are and unfortunately who the opposition is.
Until that is sorted out, whatever rule changes are brought in, teams will find ways(often illegally) around it and so often certain teams will get the benefits of decision going their way more than it should based on how they are able to manage the referee.
I have a memory of us playing Reading away under Mick and all 3 goals came from penalties given for holding or pulling in the area but it didn’t to my knowledge happen in any other games so I guess ref was told he went too far? |  | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 12:56 - May 12 with 990 views | ZurichBlue |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 12:35 - May 12 by monty_radio |
But now that the refs and all the ex-players on co-comms, seem to see a certain amount of push-pull as acceptable or even, in the case of the old pros, desirable, in the modern game, the authorities need to step back and consider what they want to see.
While it was Greaves' rugby tackle that caught everyone's attention, the Brentford attackers seem to have a free pass to begin the fun by pushing any defender who stood in their way, although, according to the rules, it's not illegal just to stand your ground. But it gives the attacker a passport to trying his luck without jeopardy, while , for the defender, there's always the lurking threat of a penalty. |
It's truly pathetic what goes on during corners these days and sadly we're now just as bad as the well known shytehousert teams. Greaves, Tuanzebe and Davis are hugging and pulling the shirts of opposing players at every corner and frankly we've been very lucky not to concede more penalties this season. Something drastic is needed, not just words from referees or reliance on the incompetence of VAR referees. Maybe introduce a non-yellow card 5 minute sin bin. When a referee is unsure who is the main instigator. Send the first 2 hugging perpetrators to the sin bin, then if necessary the next 2, until a decent corner is able to be taken without all the hugging, holding, shirt pulling, rugby tackling antics that we see today! | | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 13:08 - May 12 with 966 views | Plums |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 09:24 - May 12 by ArnieM |
lol is that what he said? Seriously? Well that’s good enough for me then.
Seriously though, I don’t know about others on here, but I’m sick t9 death of watching this in our game now, and the saddest part is it’s coached into the game. You only have to watch back games from say 10 years ago , and it rarely happens. |
It's not only coached, it's being copied. I was at a U7-U10 tournament on Saturday and the kids are doing it in 5 a side games. It's pathetic. |  |
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| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 15:08 - May 12 with 748 views | ronnyd |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 11:02 - May 12 by southnorfolkblue |
The bit I can't get my head around is that a foul cannot be committed until the ball is in play, which makes no sense to me. If an attacker goes and puts himself in front of the keeper but actually faces the keeper rather than the ball I would just blow it up as obstruction there and then. Get players facing the ball rather than opponents would be a start |
Perhaps the ref blowing for the corner being taken is when everything is deemed'in play'. | | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 15:11 - May 12 with 735 views | GeoffSentence |
If you recall they tried something like that a few seasons ago, possibly the season we went down to league one.
It was highly advertised that grappling in the box would lead to free kicks or penalties.
It lasted about two weeks.
We were the only team I can recall having a penalty awarded against them for grappling in the box.
next week it was all forgotten. |  |
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| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 15:31 - May 12 with 707 views | Sharkey |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 11:20 - May 12 by Linners |
What about all defenders must start in the six yard box and all attackers must start outside of the area, until the ball is kicked? Bit like a short corner in hockey.
As Joe said on BM, top end football is now just professional cheating, so I'm sure whatever happens it'll be abused asap. Refereeing a corner must be a nightmare. |
Or say that both teams need to have two (three?) outfield players in the centre circle when the corner is taken. |  | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 16:53 - May 12 with 578 views | TractorJack |
But you will still have the problem of different interpretations of what is or isn't a foul. |  | | |
| The ridiculous shytehousery in the penalty box at corners CAN be ended…. on 17:09 - May 12 with 537 views | wischip |
We should just go for it at each corner just like they did in the ice hockey film Slapshot. Imagine how many hours the refs would need on VAR to replay everything. They'd miss the MOTD cut-off. |  | | |
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