| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester 08:08 - Dec 18 with 1869 views | Bluefish |
Been meaning to ask you this for a while and the new contract for Morris reminded me.
Morris was long seen as the next in line and the one knocking on the door of a breakthrough. Jack has really kicked on from nowhere though and established himself in the 1st team while Morris struggles for minutes in league 2. Do you think Morris has the higher potential of the 2 or has he gone backwards or was he overhyped? Obviously a lot could change but have your views changed? |  |
| |  |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:14 - Dec 18 with 1697 views | Bluefish |
Oi stop eating in dodgy service stations and answer my question | |
| |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:37 - Dec 18 with 1657 views | itfcjoe |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:14 - Dec 18 by Bluefish |
Oi stop eating in dodgy service stations and answer my question |
It’s so difficult to know - but so much of Youth development is about luck and Morris hasn’t really had any recently!
Morris missed most of pre season despite being in and around first team at end of season, but that was because he was away with England at the Euros, he came back, looked too good for U23s and has a really promising cameo against Blackburn.
So, to avoid him playing at U23 level he goes out on loan and then doesn’t play - and now a player who was behind him in the pecking order is now starting Championship games where he isn’t getting a look in at League 2. Ironically had Morris stayed here he’d likely have started more games than he has there, at Lankesters expense!
Lankester is hard to judge, he had a really poor U17 season, and think that was due to being a very late developer physically, but really kicked on as an U18. Without checking I’d guess Morris scores more goals as an U23 during second year of scholarship than JL did as an U18 at same stage.
Both are fine prospects, but one is getting luck at the moment whereas the other isn’t - and this spell when Hurst chucked him in as a desperate last throw of dice could very likely define their careers, not just at ITFC but in general |  |
| |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:39 - Dec 18 with 1646 views | Bluefish |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:37 - Dec 18 by itfcjoe |
It’s so difficult to know - but so much of Youth development is about luck and Morris hasn’t really had any recently!
Morris missed most of pre season despite being in and around first team at end of season, but that was because he was away with England at the Euros, he came back, looked too good for U23s and has a really promising cameo against Blackburn.
So, to avoid him playing at U23 level he goes out on loan and then doesn’t play - and now a player who was behind him in the pecking order is now starting Championship games where he isn’t getting a look in at League 2. Ironically had Morris stayed here he’d likely have started more games than he has there, at Lankesters expense!
Lankester is hard to judge, he had a really poor U17 season, and think that was due to being a very late developer physically, but really kicked on as an U18. Without checking I’d guess Morris scores more goals as an U23 during second year of scholarship than JL did as an U18 at same stage.
Both are fine prospects, but one is getting luck at the moment whereas the other isn’t - and this spell when Hurst chucked him in as a desperate last throw of dice could very likely define their careers, not just at ITFC but in general |
Cheers pal I suspected that might be the way. Would have been interesting though to see if anything had stood out, Morris seemed highly rated by England as well but often it seems to be a face fits with England set ups. | |
| |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:43 - Dec 18 with 1638 views | itfcjoe |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:39 - Dec 18 by Bluefish |
Cheers pal I suspected that might be the way. Would have been interesting though to see if anything had stood out, Morris seemed highly rated by England as well but often it seems to be a face fits with England set ups. |
I was personally surprised he got the call up this summer, and think that may have had more to do with availability from better prospects. He was in the squads on merit at U17 level, but don’t think that was the case at U19 from what I’ve seen - he’s struggled at international level | |
| |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:48 - Dec 18 with 1609 views | MrTown |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:37 - Dec 18 by itfcjoe |
It’s so difficult to know - but so much of Youth development is about luck and Morris hasn’t really had any recently!
Morris missed most of pre season despite being in and around first team at end of season, but that was because he was away with England at the Euros, he came back, looked too good for U23s and has a really promising cameo against Blackburn.
So, to avoid him playing at U23 level he goes out on loan and then doesn’t play - and now a player who was behind him in the pecking order is now starting Championship games where he isn’t getting a look in at League 2. Ironically had Morris stayed here he’d likely have started more games than he has there, at Lankesters expense!
Lankester is hard to judge, he had a really poor U17 season, and think that was due to being a very late developer physically, but really kicked on as an U18. Without checking I’d guess Morris scores more goals as an U23 during second year of scholarship than JL did as an U18 at same stage.
Both are fine prospects, but one is getting luck at the moment whereas the other isn’t - and this spell when Hurst chucked him in as a desperate last throw of dice could very likely define their careers, not just at ITFC but in general |
Joe, I'm no expert at the academy level, certainly nowhere near your level. But I have seen maybe 15 games over the last 18 months.
When I see Ben Morris, and then look at the first team, would he struggle at the moment to play in our team due to his height, is almost Freddie Sears esc when he plays better with another man up there with him? |  |
| |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:49 - Dec 18 with 1604 views | ITFCBlues |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:37 - Dec 18 by itfcjoe |
It’s so difficult to know - but so much of Youth development is about luck and Morris hasn’t really had any recently!
Morris missed most of pre season despite being in and around first team at end of season, but that was because he was away with England at the Euros, he came back, looked too good for U23s and has a really promising cameo against Blackburn.
So, to avoid him playing at U23 level he goes out on loan and then doesn’t play - and now a player who was behind him in the pecking order is now starting Championship games where he isn’t getting a look in at League 2. Ironically had Morris stayed here he’d likely have started more games than he has there, at Lankesters expense!
Lankester is hard to judge, he had a really poor U17 season, and think that was due to being a very late developer physically, but really kicked on as an U18. Without checking I’d guess Morris scores more goals as an U23 during second year of scholarship than JL did as an U18 at same stage.
Both are fine prospects, but one is getting luck at the moment whereas the other isn’t - and this spell when Hurst chucked him in as a desperate last throw of dice could very likely define their careers, not just at ITFC but in general |
JL also had a fairly serious injury that would’ve held him back I believe? |  |
| |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:58 - Dec 18 with 1568 views | Crofty |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:49 - Dec 18 by ITFCBlues |
JL also had a fairly serious injury that would’ve held him back I believe? |
Just too add and I've not seen enough of Morris to make comment on him but having watched Jack on loan at Bury Town towards the end of last season which has really seemed to moved him forward.
Playing at that level although nothing close to league football standard certainly gave him a toughening up period and he seemed to have comeback knowing what was needed. |  | | |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 19:52 - Dec 18 with 1451 views | itfcjoe |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:48 - Dec 18 by MrTown |
Joe, I'm no expert at the academy level, certainly nowhere near your level. But I have seen maybe 15 games over the last 18 months.
When I see Ben Morris, and then look at the first team, would he struggle at the moment to play in our team due to his height, is almost Freddie Sears esc when he plays better with another man up there with him? |
I think he'd have to be in one of the wide striker roles which Sears and Lankester/Edwards have been in - but that role suits him well and he has played a lot there for U23s over recent years | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 19:53 - Dec 18 with 1450 views | itfcjoe |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:49 - Dec 18 by ITFCBlues |
JL also had a fairly serious injury that would’ve held him back I believe? |
I don't think that is the case? | |
| |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 19:55 - Dec 18 with 1445 views | itfcjoe |
| ITFC_JOE - Morris and Lankester on 18:58 - Dec 18 by Crofty |
Just too add and I've not seen enough of Morris to make comment on him but having watched Jack on loan at Bury Town towards the end of last season which has really seemed to moved him forward.
Playing at that level although nothing close to league football standard certainly gave him a toughening up period and he seemed to have comeback knowing what was needed. |
I think the club have realised that - in previous years a loan to that level has really just happened when the guy is going to be released and helping them out as wouldn't be playing here - Tom Winter, Cemal Ramadan and various others.
But since Lankester and McGavin went there at the end of last season, we have now stuck a load of players there at this early stage of season, which is almsot unheard of, and there are some who definitely won't be being released. Ryley Scott and Tom Hughes at Bury, Luca Vega at Lowestoft, Kian Ronan at Mildenhall and a fe wothers - so that success has obviously opened the clubs eyes to what it can do | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
