| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. 21:55 - Jul 31 with 1317 views | Pinewoodblue |
With very few deaths in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would have expected the 7 day rolling average to have falled a lt lower that it has,
Today's UK figure is 120 and the rolling average stubbornly remaining above 60 a day. A quick check on COVID-19 hospital deaths in England shows a total for the last five of just 27. I know they change their data everyday so the actual date of death is recorded but there are either a lot of deaths still in care homes or people who die in their own homes but the figure seems far too high. Are they still counting everyone who tests positive as a Covid death even if they are run over by a bus?
Badger will correct me if I am wrong but heard numbers of Covid cases in ICU in England i around 100.
UK not alone in producing dodgy stats. If you believe the French they have had 180,000 cases and over 100,000 ended up in Hospital with 30,000 deaths. |  |
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| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. on 08:45 - Aug 1 with 1155 views | JammyDodgerrr |
The deaths are mainly coming from care homes, and then adding historical deaths in some cases. I find a useful metric to check is the one that says how many of the deaths reported have happened in the last 10 days or whatever it is, that helps to erase the historical ones and get the true figures. Agree about all countries producing dodgy numbers. When it’s all done we can expect some massive rewrites of stats. |  |
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| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. on 09:46 - Aug 1 with 1113 views | Guthrum |
| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. on 08:45 - Aug 1 by JammyDodgerrr |
The deaths are mainly coming from care homes, and then adding historical deaths in some cases. I find a useful metric to check is the one that says how many of the deaths reported have happened in the last 10 days or whatever it is, that helps to erase the historical ones and get the true figures. Agree about all countries producing dodgy numbers. When it’s all done we can expect some massive rewrites of stats. |
First, someone would have to create an internationally applicable standard of what constitutes a "death caused by Covid-19" and how such figures might be assessed. That's without tackling issues such as misattribution (deliberate or otherwise) and sheer absence of recording/data (e.g. in the slums of Brasil or India).
Excess deaths would seem to be the most reliable and universally applicable statistic, but even that has flaws and is very all-encompassing. |  |
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| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. on 10:46 - Aug 1 with 1066 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. on 09:46 - Aug 1 by Guthrum |
First, someone would have to create an internationally applicable standard of what constitutes a "death caused by Covid-19" and how such figures might be assessed. That's without tackling issues such as misattribution (deliberate or otherwise) and sheer absence of recording/data (e.g. in the slums of Brasil or India).
Excess deaths would seem to be the most reliable and universally applicable statistic, but even that has flaws and is very all-encompassing. |
Yes, agree. It is very likely we will never see the true effects of COVID. | |
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| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. on 11:01 - Aug 1 with 1052 views | longtimefan |
| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. on 08:45 - Aug 1 by JammyDodgerrr |
The deaths are mainly coming from care homes, and then adding historical deaths in some cases. I find a useful metric to check is the one that says how many of the deaths reported have happened in the last 10 days or whatever it is, that helps to erase the historical ones and get the true figures. Agree about all countries producing dodgy numbers. When it’s all done we can expect some massive rewrites of stats. |
Not sure that the deaths are mainly care home related. Look at the weekly ONS stats published each Tuesday as these break down deaths by location. I believe these show the majority are occurring in the home rather than any institutions. I find this somewhat strange as I’d have thought those who die at home would be in such a condition that they would have been moved to hospital! |  | | |
| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. on 13:03 - Aug 1 with 997 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. on 11:01 - Aug 1 by longtimefan |
Not sure that the deaths are mainly care home related. Look at the weekly ONS stats published each Tuesday as these break down deaths by location. I believe these show the majority are occurring in the home rather than any institutions. I find this somewhat strange as I’d have thought those who die at home would be in such a condition that they would have been moved to hospital! |
Or not COVID-19 related. | |
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| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. on 13:43 - Aug 1 with 955 views | longtimefan |
| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. on 13:03 - Aug 1 by Pinewoodblue |
Or not COVID-19 related. |
This was for deaths where the person had either tested positive for Covid-19 or it was mentioned on the death certificate. | | | |
| Govt figures n Covid deaths are confusing me. on 13:49 - Aug 1 with 941 views | 26_Paz |
Should stop publishing those death stats. Until they can count them properly, what’s the point? |  |
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