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Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? 10:12 - Dec 27 with 1037 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Been trying to get to the bottom of this in light of current tensions but it is not something covered by fact checks it seems. Found this a good read though, over to Guthers.

https://warontherocks.com/2019/11/promises-made-promises-broken-what-yeltsin-was

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Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 10:30 - Dec 27 with 988 viewsGuthrum

I'm just going out, but the short answer is not exactly. At one point we offered Russia associate membership of NATO, but it never quite happened (reasons disputed).

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Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 10:50 - Dec 27 with 933 viewsCheltenham_Blue

Really interesting read that. Of course the other take could be, were it not for the Russian aggressive military and political stance over the past 10-15 years, countries like Ukraine would not feel as though they need the protection of NATO.
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Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 10:51 - Dec 27 with 935 viewsSteve_M

No, it didn't. And also, what right does Russia have to deny agency to countries it colonised under Stalin?

NATO had a boundary with Russia in any case because Norway borders Russia.

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Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 11:18 - Dec 27 with 888 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 10:51 - Dec 27 by Steve_M

No, it didn't. And also, what right does Russia have to deny agency to countries it colonised under Stalin?

NATO had a boundary with Russia in any case because Norway borders Russia.


I think that, as Guthrum's reply hints at, it is not quite as clear cut as that.

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Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 11:23 - Dec 27 with 878 viewsZXBlue

Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 11:18 - Dec 27 by BanksterDebtSlave

I think that, as Guthrum's reply hints at, it is not quite as clear cut as that.


It is. The second bit in particular. What right?
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Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 11:32 - Dec 27 with 846 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 11:23 - Dec 27 by ZXBlue

It is. The second bit in particular. What right?


Yep Norway definitely does.

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Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 11:47 - Dec 27 with 821 viewsmidastouch

After 9/11 there seemed a very real prospect of vastly improved relations between Russia and the US. However, the hoped for reset in relations fell prey to continued mistrust and division. Looking back it seems a big opportunity missed by both. Each will blame the other as they always do.

Things seem a long way away from this now:
https://www.businessinsider.com/george-bush-putin-fishing-painting-trump-meeting

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Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 12:07 - Dec 27 with 764 viewsZXBlue

Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 11:32 - Dec 27 by BanksterDebtSlave

Yep Norway definitely does.


Indeed. And what right do Russia have to impose on other nation's agency?
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Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 17:43 - Dec 27 with 543 viewsGuthrum

Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 11:18 - Dec 27 by BanksterDebtSlave

I think that, as Guthrum's reply hints at, it is not quite as clear cut as that.


To clarify, IIRC there were never any formal commitments not to expand NATO eastwards. Indeed, under Yeltsin, they acquiesced. As I mentioned, there were even vague offers of some sort of associate membership.

There may have been some things said during negotiations. Putin-era Russia chooses to think so, but there was nothing on record. Vladimir Vladimirovich in not necessarily the most reliable of witnesses.

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Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 17:55 - Dec 27 with 531 viewsGuthrum

Did Nato promise not to encroach Eastwards on Russia's borders...? on 12:07 - Dec 27 by ZXBlue

Indeed. And what right do Russia have to impose on other nation's agency?


None whatsoever.

Putin just wants to reconstitute the Soviet Union. With all the threat that carries for Ukraine, the Baltic States and probably central Asia. Belarus has already been half absorbed.

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