| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 17:15 - Apr 16 with 676 views | DJR |
From the article.
"Asked again if he backed the strike action, Streeting replied: 'How could I? There’s a risk to patient safety. It wouldn’t be the right thing to do.'"
Makes one wonder, if the Tories' restrictions on strikes in the public sector make it into law, whether Labour would repeal them.
The best riposte to all this (and something I posted a while ago) was a Tweet from Danny Baker.
So much rhetoric about the "right to strike".
If you do a job and you feel you are being f**ked about: Strike.
Withdraw your labour.
That's it.
What else can you do?
Chatter about it? Post a blog? Write a think peice column for a paper? No.
STRIKE. Your labour has worth. [Post edited 16 Apr 2023 17:18]
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| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 17:32 - Apr 16 with 660 views | Swansea_Blue |
That’s not a Labour position. Simple as that. Not only playing the Tories at their own game but behaving like them as well and spreading the Govt’s messages isn’t going to end well for Labour. |  |
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| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 17:40 - Apr 16 with 640 views | giant_stow |
I think Labour has a tough job balancing this next round of strikes, now that they'll include cancer and ITU staff. To be fair. Someone does need to speak for patients in this battle - there's going to be a lot if suffering. That's not to say the strikes are wrong BTW- just that there are 3 parties in this dispute - not just the government and unions. [Post edited 16 Apr 2023 17:43]
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| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 17:53 - Apr 16 with 590 views | DJR |
| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 17:40 - Apr 16 by giant_stow |
I think Labour has a tough job balancing this next round of strikes, now that they'll include cancer and ITU staff. To be fair. Someone does need to speak for patients in this battle - there's going to be a lot if suffering. That's not to say the strikes are wrong BTW- just that there are 3 parties in this dispute - not just the government and unions. [Post edited 16 Apr 2023 17:43]
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I realise the issue is complex but I think the main issue here is that Labour, if currently in government, would be unlikely to offer any more than the Tories, given it will not increase taxes, and it supported the austerity and public sector pay restraint of the Cameron government which in my view is the main driver of the mess public services and public sector pay are in. | | | |
| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 17:58 - Apr 16 with 580 views | giant_stow |
| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 17:53 - Apr 16 by DJR |
I realise the issue is complex but I think the main issue here is that Labour, if currently in government, would be unlikely to offer any more than the Tories, given it will not increase taxes, and it supported the austerity and public sector pay restraint of the Cameron government which in my view is the main driver of the mess public services and public sector pay are in. |
I can see why youd say that and you could be right too, although personally, I'd have more faith that a Labour government would find the money, as much for pragmatic reasons as ideological ones. | |
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| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 18:02 - Apr 16 with 575 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
It is really worrying that we don't have a credible opposition to the bunch of corrupt halfwits that are running this country. Corbyn was unelectable, too radical with no awareness (or care) about his public image. Starmer is just totally devoid of any conviction and personality. If only Labour could get Andy Burnham to stand, I rally think the country could get behind him.
Starmer's Labour just don't seem to get the point about these strikes. They are about long term survival of the NHS - the gap has grown so big that the increases required appear huge, but THAT IS WHAT IS NEEDED TO RESTORE DECENT PAY. Without that, there is a steady decline, more people leaving the NHS than joining. The opposition need to shout this from the rooftops. We are not talking about skivers, about people who don't want to work. This is about people who work really hard in tough jobs, in often dilipidated, leaking cold buildings, repeatedly doing unpaid overtime, unsociable hours, putting their own health in danger to provide care for others.
The Tories have distorted the country so much, that public perception seems to believe that shareholders' investments are sacrosanct. God forbid the value of shares falls. We are becoming a society where we just expect other people to do the work, for pay that isn't enough to live on, whilst those with pensions and shares can just enjoy their work-free lives watching their investments grow, and the company Directors creaming off huge dividends. Why can we not have an opposition that screams this out and shows what a farcical, unsustainable mess we have got ourselves into? |  |
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| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 18:19 - Apr 16 with 544 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 17:40 - Apr 16 by giant_stow |
I think Labour has a tough job balancing this next round of strikes, now that they'll include cancer and ITU staff. To be fair. Someone does need to speak for patients in this battle - there's going to be a lot if suffering. That's not to say the strikes are wrong BTW- just that there are 3 parties in this dispute - not just the government and unions. [Post edited 16 Apr 2023 17:43]
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I can tell you one thing - the docs and nurses care a damn site more about patients than the government do. Of course it's not ideal, but the NHS has been brought to its knees and it seems the only route left to try to improve things is through drastic action (which is only going to improve the attractiveness and retention issues around staffing, little else). It's obviously horrible to be having more delays on procedures, but larger scale longer delays will be where things are heading anyway without any of this.
And remember, the government could stop these strikes simply by turning up and talking. The Welsh Government averted the last round of strikes in Wales by acting as adults. | |
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| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 18:24 - Apr 16 with 526 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 18:02 - Apr 16 by LegendofthePhoenix |
It is really worrying that we don't have a credible opposition to the bunch of corrupt halfwits that are running this country. Corbyn was unelectable, too radical with no awareness (or care) about his public image. Starmer is just totally devoid of any conviction and personality. If only Labour could get Andy Burnham to stand, I rally think the country could get behind him.
Starmer's Labour just don't seem to get the point about these strikes. They are about long term survival of the NHS - the gap has grown so big that the increases required appear huge, but THAT IS WHAT IS NEEDED TO RESTORE DECENT PAY. Without that, there is a steady decline, more people leaving the NHS than joining. The opposition need to shout this from the rooftops. We are not talking about skivers, about people who don't want to work. This is about people who work really hard in tough jobs, in often dilipidated, leaking cold buildings, repeatedly doing unpaid overtime, unsociable hours, putting their own health in danger to provide care for others.
The Tories have distorted the country so much, that public perception seems to believe that shareholders' investments are sacrosanct. God forbid the value of shares falls. We are becoming a society where we just expect other people to do the work, for pay that isn't enough to live on, whilst those with pensions and shares can just enjoy their work-free lives watching their investments grow, and the company Directors creaming off huge dividends. Why can we not have an opposition that screams this out and shows what a farcical, unsustainable mess we have got ourselves into? |
It tells you a lot that someone like Burnham became completely disillusioned with Westminster and wouldn't want to stand.
Anyone who wants to actually be an MP and part of that culture should be automatically ruled out! | |
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| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 19:51 - Apr 16 with 468 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 18:24 - Apr 16 by Swansea_Blue |
It tells you a lot that someone like Burnham became completely disillusioned with Westminster and wouldn't want to stand.
Anyone who wants to actually be an MP and part of that culture should be automatically ruled out! |
Yes, same happened with the last credible potential leader, David Milliband. Labour somehow have a self destruct mechanism. You need charisma to be a good leader, and not many of them have it. Charisma is lots of things, but having conviction to your cause is one. Starmer doesn't have conviction ton anything. | |
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| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 19:57 - Apr 16 with 459 views | DJR |
| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 17:58 - Apr 16 by giant_stow |
I can see why youd say that and you could be right too, although personally, I'd have more faith that a Labour government would find the money, as much for pragmatic reasons as ideological ones. |
Whilst Labour's heart may be in the right place, Streeting made it clear today that increased public sector wages will only come with growth.
The question then becomes whether Labour will grow the economy any faster than the Tories, which is perhaps a moot point because Labour seems committed to the same fiscal rules and the like as the Tories, and both parties seem to accept a hard Brexit. | | | |
| Back to Earth....Labour still spineless. on 21:27 - Apr 16 with 407 views | HARRY10 |
"Grow the economy ", has become one of those vacuous expressions, as with Father Jack and "that would be an ecumenical matter." What government in history has not wanted to achieve that ?
It is not about pay being dependent upon a growth in the economy, but the better prioritising of government revenue. End the energy companies fleecing people*, water companies paying dividends and bonuses when they are dumping sht in the rivers, remove the ability of businesses running schools to claim they should be exempt from VAT.
And the question is not whether Labour supports the strike or not. I suspect I know, whe it comes down to it, which side Labour is on in any battle between wage labour and capital, which this is.
Capital being represented by this government, whose underlying thought is that it opposes universal healthcare. Privatising will certainly earn a few bob for those in the know, as with PPE, but the main point is to remove the cost to business by them providing healthcare to what they see as 'useless mouths'.
I've spoken at enough dinners over the years to have heard umpteen rimes the thoughts that suggest society would be better off if they were no longer hear. I have heard the word mongol frequently used as well numerous other derogatory terms.
Collect a few quid, have a large sized cheque made, then have a photo in the local paper showing what well intentioned worthies you are - while still being a cnt. "Here's the scrapings from the bowl, now go away, and be grateful."
Health is possible the most important concern you can have. Poverty is no party, but the fear of ill health and worse, that you can be treated but that treatment is also dependent in money you do not have.
It is not people landing in boats that poses a threat. It is healthcare staff leaving, heading off abroad to where they are paid properly and having a government who will happily play with peoples live (waiting lists) for political ends
Would you rather have nurse or doctor running the country, or the likes of Farage, Rees-Mogg, Dorries ? I know who I would trust, and I know who doesn't get paid what they are really worth, both types.
* why the fck are we all paying far higher standing charges ? |  | | |
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