| Voting age being lowered to 16 then 11:04 - Jul 17 with 5274 views | NedPlimpton |
can't say i'm 100% either way on this, but it feels like a positive
Will help to get young people more engaged in politics if they are able to actually have a voice. Also I suppose it's only fair that if you are paying NI or income tax at the age of 16 then you have a say on how that money is being spent
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:08 - Jul 17 with 2532 views | GavTWTD |
Depends. Who are they likely to vote for? |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:08 - Jul 17 with 2526 views | OldFart71 |
I don't know about 16 year olds voting, but by the looks of it they are running the Country. |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:09 - Jul 17 with 2522 views | tonybied |
I definitely agree with this. If you're old enough to earn money and pay taxes, then surely you're old enough to help make a decision on how your tax money should be spent! |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:09 - Jul 17 with 2516 views | bournemouthblue |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:08 - Jul 17 by GavTWTD |
Depends. Who are they likely to vote for? |
Whatever they want, that's democracy |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:11 - Jul 17 with 2485 views | NedPlimpton |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:08 - Jul 17 by GavTWTD |
Depends. Who are they likely to vote for? |
Later bedtimes and unlimited data for tiktok? | | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:14 - Jul 17 with 2454 views | MattinLondon |
Potentially franchising hundreds of young people might well change the dynamics of UK politics as at the moment its policies seem to be heavily in favour of older people. |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:14 - Jul 17 with 2457 views | bsw72 |
I'm very curious as to anyone who is against it and their reasons why. I cannot think of a genuine reason why it is a bad thing . . . but I may be looking through rose tinted glasses. |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:16 - Jul 17 with 2408 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:09 - Jul 17 by tonybied |
I definitely agree with this. If you're old enough to earn money and pay taxes, then surely you're old enough to help make a decision on how your tax money should be spent! |
But not old enough to stand for election! |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:20 - Jul 17 with 2362 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:14 - Jul 17 by bsw72 |
I'm very curious as to anyone who is against it and their reasons why. I cannot think of a genuine reason why it is a bad thing . . . but I may be looking through rose tinted glasses. |
Political opportunism? Surely there are 1000 more pressing issues to be looked at. They should really only be bringing this in if they win a second term. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:21 - Jul 17 with 2343 views | J2BLUE |
Mixed.
If they can join the army and have kids they should be allowed to vote but then the main argument I hear is "it's more more our future than yours" so are we now going to have 14 year olds making the same argument?
On balance, i'm probably in favour to balance things out a bit more against the older voters. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:23 - Jul 17 with 2308 views | NedPlimpton |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:20 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Political opportunism? Surely there are 1000 more pressing issues to be looked at. They should really only be bringing this in if they win a second term. |
That's a ridiculous argument
It doesn't matter when it's brought in if it's a good idea
And also just because they've brought this in doesn't mean they're not working on other stuff. It's like people who think town only have one transfer target at a time! | | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:25 - Jul 17 with 2279 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:23 - Jul 17 by NedPlimpton |
That's a ridiculous argument
It doesn't matter when it's brought in if it's a good idea
And also just because they've brought this in doesn't mean they're not working on other stuff. It's like people who think town only have one transfer target at a time! |
I don't think that's comparable. There is only so much parliamentary time. I often hear bills not going through because time ran out. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:27 - Jul 17 with 2245 views | Mookamoo |
Wonder if this will also trigger a shake up in how people get to vote.
Would have thought they will stick to the village hall and tiny pencil for now and then look to introduce a .gov app that allows national and local ballots |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:32 - Jul 17 with 2188 views | NedPlimpton |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:25 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
I don't think that's comparable. There is only so much parliamentary time. I often hear bills not going through because time ran out. |
But you've decided this isn't as important as lots of other things. To a 16 year old it's possibly the most important issue
Anyways, regardless of the timing of it, do you have an opinion on the actual premise? | | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:45 - Jul 17 with 2109 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:32 - Jul 17 by NedPlimpton |
But you've decided this isn't as important as lots of other things. To a 16 year old it's possibly the most important issue
Anyways, regardless of the timing of it, do you have an opinion on the actual premise? |
Ambivalent I would say. Pros and cons pretty much matched.
I can see why someone who pays taxes etc deserves a vote, on the other hand you're letting in proportionally more people who don't really have a clue what they are voting for, not because they're stupid but just inexperienced.
It's a bit like reducing the speed limits to 20mph on all 30mph roads. Fewer people will be injured, but then fewer people will also be injured at 1mph than 20mph, so you have to draw the line somewhere where proportionally the rate decreases the most (or the least with voting). I'm not convinced that's 20mph, and I'm not convinced that's 16 years old. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:49 - Jul 17 with 2039 views | Herbivore |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:20 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Political opportunism? Surely there are 1000 more pressing issues to be looked at. They should really only be bringing this in if they win a second term. |
Struggling to see how these are good reasons against it. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:51 - Jul 17 with 2020 views | Herbivore |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:45 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Ambivalent I would say. Pros and cons pretty much matched.
I can see why someone who pays taxes etc deserves a vote, on the other hand you're letting in proportionally more people who don't really have a clue what they are voting for, not because they're stupid but just inexperienced.
It's a bit like reducing the speed limits to 20mph on all 30mph roads. Fewer people will be injured, but then fewer people will also be injured at 1mph than 20mph, so you have to draw the line somewhere where proportionally the rate decreases the most (or the least with voting). I'm not convinced that's 20mph, and I'm not convinced that's 16 years old. |
Not sure the older generations are really any more clued up to be honest. We ended up with Brexit and a stonking majority for the charlatan Boris Johnson, mostly at the hands of older voters. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:51 - Jul 17 with 2014 views | Dubtractor |
On the one hand you could argue that a lot of teenagers may not be informed enough to vote on 'grown up stuff', but spend any amount of time on social media and you realise that huge numbers of so called adults are also ignorant tools, so.....
I'm in favour, on balance, but this change in policy would only ever be introduced by a left leaning party, for obvious reasons. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:52 - Jul 17 with 2004 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:21 - Jul 17 by J2BLUE |
Mixed.
If they can join the army and have kids they should be allowed to vote but then the main argument I hear is "it's more more our future than yours" so are we now going to have 14 year olds making the same argument?
On balance, i'm probably in favour to balance things out a bit more against the older voters. |
Where's it going to end is a bit of a rubbish argument isn't it? It's a *tiny*, just the tiniest bit, like those who said that gay marriage will end up with marrying relatives and pets! |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:53 - Jul 17 with 1991 views | Bluecoin |
Great for Farage. That age group seem to be Reform supporters these days, from what I've seen.
Think labour may come to regret this! Haha. |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:55 - Jul 17 with 1962 views | bsw72 |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:20 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Political opportunism? Surely there are 1000 more pressing issues to be looked at. They should really only be bringing this in if they win a second term. |
Think that is a pretty weak argument on both levels:
The definition of Opportunistic is: exploiting immediate opportunities, especially regardless of planning or principle; considering it was in the Labour manifesto for election, therefore seems to be planned - I don't think it could be thought of as opportunistic.
Why only bring this in *if* they won a 2nd term, if it makes sense then, why not now - there will always be a list of things more important to do, but that does not mean that less important things should not be done especially if they do not significantly delay other high priority tasks. | | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:55 - Jul 17 with 1948 views | J2BLUE |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:52 - Jul 17 by Axeldalai_lama |
Where's it going to end is a bit of a rubbish argument isn't it? It's a *tiny*, just the tiniest bit, like those who said that gay marriage will end up with marrying relatives and pets! |
Not really but well done for shoehorning that one in. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:56 - Jul 17 with 1943 views | tonybied |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:45 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Ambivalent I would say. Pros and cons pretty much matched.
I can see why someone who pays taxes etc deserves a vote, on the other hand you're letting in proportionally more people who don't really have a clue what they are voting for, not because they're stupid but just inexperienced.
It's a bit like reducing the speed limits to 20mph on all 30mph roads. Fewer people will be injured, but then fewer people will also be injured at 1mph than 20mph, so you have to draw the line somewhere where proportionally the rate decreases the most (or the least with voting). I'm not convinced that's 20mph, and I'm not convinced that's 16 years old. |
If someone with dementia or mental illness is still allowed to vote, then why not a teenager?
There are plenty of 16-17 year olds out in the wild that have a more balanced view of the world than someone 20-30-40 years their senior. Experience helps when deciding how to vote, but it's not the be-all and end-all. Knowledge and education are just as important. | | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:58 - Jul 17 with 1914 views | OldFart71 |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:09 - Jul 17 by tonybied |
I definitely agree with this. If you're old enough to earn money and pay taxes, then surely you're old enough to help make a decision on how your tax money should be spent! |
I totally agree with you. The trouble is the current and previous Governments disregard what people think and sadly have their own agendas dependant on their backers and has been shown recently not what the Chancellor or the Prime Minister want to do, but whether the back benchers back them.
It begs the question that today whether a Government governs as with Liz Truss she was brought down by the financial markets. Other things are overseen by the judiciary and many decisions are questioned by ethnic groups. | | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:58 - Jul 17 with 1903 views | leitrimblue |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:53 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
Great for Farage. That age group seem to be Reform supporters these days, from what I've seen.
Think labour may come to regret this! Haha. |
Reform are gonna legalise weed..  |  | | |
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