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Where does the fault lie for our current downturn?
at 10:16 5 Mar 2020

We had players on Championship level fees... hence that size of wage bill. That has since been reduced and will be reduced even further when contracts are up this summer.

Coventry's wage bill was already significantly lower, plying their trade in League 1.

If Evans was still handing out contracts to players recruited this season on Championship level money, then he's dumber than I thought he was.

Although proven by every decision he's made since he got here and his apparent lack of any real football knowledge, even he can't be THAT stupid!

What will be really interesting is to see just how much he trims next season's gross wage bill by and who he sells for peanuts/lets go on a free to achieve that.
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at 16:47 4 Mar 2020

Late to the party? Throwing my weight around? Getting snotty? Half-baked ideas?

I'm not late to any party, I'm not throwing any weight, I'm not getting snotty and I don't have any ideas that are half-baked.

Neither have I been rude to you or labelled you with childish names!

I have pulled you up on the fact that you have chosen to misunderstand my comments or have been unable to decipher plain English... but I haven't belittled your lack of understanding by resorting to name-calling.

Next?
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at 16:27 4 Mar 2020

Whether or not this subject has been covered previously once or a million times matters little. This is the here and now.

Firstly, let's get this straight... I never said Evans MAKES money from a tax loss. He can, however, offset some of the tax he would have to pay on his profitable businesses.

Secondly, I DO read the posts in the forum.

Lastly, I didn't resort to name-calling, as you have, to try and prove a point. I think you need to take a chill pill, sit down, relax and try to understand what is being written, instead of going off the deep end about something that was never said.
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at 12:33 2 Mar 2020

Well, you're "obviously" a financial genius and business guru who should give Evans the benefit of your vast knowledge of money matters.

If only he had employed you to oversee his footballing investment, I'm sure you'd turn his fortunes around... "obviously"!

"Obviously", everything you say must be true, even without stating the facts.

Well done you, "Obviously"!
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at 12:25 2 Mar 2020

Where is the cold, hard proof in what you're saying?

Back up your "obviously" with some accurate figures!

Are you Marcus Evans?
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at 11:48 2 Mar 2020

I haven't made anything up. I suggested that, in my opinion, it must be some sort of tax dodge otherwise why would a successful businessman hang on to the white elephant that is losing him money year on year? Where is the business sense in that?

That nonsense has been dismissed by whom? Evans himself?? You???

I can only assume you don't digest or really think about what you're able to read, ever!
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at 11:39 2 Mar 2020

I agree with some of what you say but the fact remains that we were starting to slide, year on year. The football WAS bad and the results were nothing to write home about. We would never have progressed under McCarthy coaching his negative sideways style with frequent hoofs upfield into thin air.

His prehistoric style left the fanbase so nonplussed that they dwindled away from matches, not bothering to go and watch the dross he encouraged week after week.

As I said previously, add his arrogance into the mix and his rudeness to the paying public and his situation was untenable. He had to go, whatever the consequences, simple as that!
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at 17:44 28 Feb 2020

"That those players, with the exception of Wilson who I didn’t mention, will be on expensive wages in comparison to our League One peers, quite obviously"

Really?

What are our new recruits being paid in comparison to players at other League 1 clubs?

Please do enlighten me.
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at 16:53 28 Feb 2020

McCarthy's stats, though better than some of the others before him, were nothing special.

As I stated previously, he started fairly well and certainly proved to be a boost when he arrived but it was never enough to get us over the line. He was certainly a company man when it came to operating on a shoestring and working within Marcus Evans' real agenda. Keeping us in The Championship with no net investment. He did have an eye for picking up cheap talent, I'll give him that.

However, he only won 9 more matches than he lost but he did draw quite a few through playing negative, sideways hoofball. Not something the fans found terribly attractive to witness on a weekly basis, as the dwindling gate numbers bore out.

Add to that his arrogance and swearing at the home fans when they dared to complain about the rubbish being played on the pitch and you had the recipe for a timely sacking!

His continuing as manager was simply untenable.
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at 16:41 28 Feb 2020

A good point well made.

Perhaps most of our woes all stem from that moment onward.

Having got us out of administration, It was Sheepshank's decision to sell the club to Marcus Evans that has seen us die a slow death and sink down the league tables to where we find ourselves now.
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at 16:36 28 Feb 2020

Not at all, I was simply trying to encourage debate.

I have an opinion of my own which I try to put forward as a starting point for discussion and then watch for the rebuttals to be posted. I can take on board that not everyone sees things the same way but I don't, however, have to agree with anyone else's opinion.

I can also appreciate a bit of light humour being added to the mix but some people seem a little too challenged of mind to be serious for any great length of time... which can get a little tedious.

If you can make a valid point and back it up with a well thought out argument then that's fine. If you post something just for the hell of it that is not so well thought out or well reasoned, I am at liberty to disagree and give the reasons why I do so. This is a forum, after all!

I do, however, defend your right to have an opposing opinion.

Simple as that.
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at 14:41 27 Feb 2020

Well put.

Things have been awry with our club for a long time but certainly got a lot worse when Marcus Evans took charge.

His appointment of Roy Keane, for me, was one of the darkest days in our recent history. I never liked or trusted the bloke. Seriously underwhelming stats as ITFC manager and not a nice guy.

Paul Jewell... seemed like a decent chap but not a great manager. Lost more than he won.

McCarthy... Big head, big mouth... did OK to start with but toed the company line whilst not setting the world alight. Lost the fans through his arrogance. Stats nothing to write home about whilst serving up mediocre hoofball week in, week out. Dwindling gates. Had to go.

Hurst... Way, way, way out of his depth... complete and utter shambles!

Paul Lambert... Seemingly another nice guy but his stats are also well below par.

It seems to me that, either ALL of these managers appointed by Evans are average or below or they are not being given the ammunition to have a real go at promotion.

Let's hope the kids coming through are good enough, don't get sold for a handful of magic beans and can take us onwards and upwards... I fear that's our only hope going forwards.
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at 14:14 27 Feb 2020

True... there isn't an endless pot of cash but, to live up to his well verbalised 5 year plan to get us promoted back to the Prem (which he trots out each season) seems to be nothing more than pie in the sky when you look at his investment policy.

If only we had a rich Russian benefactor, Arab Sheik or American mogul waiting in the wings who wasn't afraid to really invest.

Perhaps Marcus should cut his and our losses and stick us up on Ebay and see what transpires?
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at 13:57 27 Feb 2020

Thanks for your opinion.

Yes, I do believe you are correct.

Marcus Evans has been a disastrous owner from day 1.

Apparently, didn't his mate good ol' Harry Redknapp give him the benefit of his advice once or twice... or was it Sandra Redknapp?
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at 13:53 27 Feb 2020

I appreciate the view you've shared, especially as you put it so well.

If only others could find it within themselves to do the same.

However, I don't believe the investment we needed was forthcoming. We were always going to have to cope with injuries to key playing staff and the reality is, we have insufficient cover of a level needed to compete. IF all our main squad players had remained fit, I think we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I know Paul Lambert is not the Messiah... I never thought he was the answer to our managerial prayers but he seems to be a likeable guy trying to do the best with what he's got... which ain't a lot at this point in time. Marcus Evans, it seems, does all the transfer dealings himself or has some other watertight lackey do it for him, so Lambert has little or no chance of securing the services of players he'd like to work with.

Maybe Marcus Evans' next investment should be in a crystal ball so he can allocate enough funds for next season to keep us competitive full term?
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at 13:38 27 Feb 2020

You asked for clarification on my original query... I gave it to you.

You gave your opinion back with NO clarification or justification, which was fine.

Marcus Evans policy never changes... it's been a debacle from day one.

The conversation marches on and other points get raised, which get discussed. End of.

I won't be playing "Susie Dent" any more... if you want to learn the definition of any other words I use, you can look them up yourself in a copy of the OED.
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at 13:31 27 Feb 2020

OK... let me break it down for you as it's your opinion that Lambert was handed a decent transfer kitty.

The players you mentioned: -

Thomas Holy - Free Transfer
Will Keane - Free Transfer
James Norwood - Free Transfer
James Wilson - Free Transfer
Luke Garbutt - Loan
Will Norris - Loan
KVY - £630K

Your point was...???
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at 13:19 27 Feb 2020

I have my own opinion, yes, but I will continue to play devil's advocate.

Which "points" that I have made are ridiculous?
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at 13:14 27 Feb 2020

What funds? How much are we talking here??

Please elaborate.
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at 13:12 27 Feb 2020

Unfortunately, the squad is NOT good enough!

Failure to invest when given the opportunity to make doubly sure you have enough depth and talent to compete over a whole season is preparing to fail... yet again.

Marcus Evans has learnt nothing about football since taking the helm at this club... nothing.

His past mistakes will be repeated ad infinitum until he wrecks this club beyond repair.
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