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Children in Need 18:47 - Nov 17 with 2792 viewsgtsb1966

Does anyone listen to radio 2 in the mornings. They had appeals from children who benefit from this event. You couldn't help but listen with a lump in your throat. Life can be so cruel. Their enthusiasm and determination was a lesson to us all. Made me realise I've got nothing to complain about.
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Children in Need on 22:08 - Nov 17 with 411 viewsgtsb1966

Children in Need on 22:01 - Nov 17 by factual_blue

Most of those caught are given an administrative penalty rather than prosecuted, so what happens to them is 'invisible'. If they are falsely claiming benefits relayed to ill health or disability, they will be disqualified from that benefit, and have to claim the much lower benefits for unemployment. That brings into play possible sanctions for not actively seeking work.

They will also have to repay any overpaid benefits, usually by deductions from future benefits.

Around 8000 of the most serious cases a year are prosecuted. More aren't prosecuted because of the cost of doing so.

https://www.gov.uk/national-benefit-fraud-hotline
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Perhaps they havent come to Sudbury then. I'll revise my judgement until they've had time to evaluate the lazy barstewards.
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Children in Need on 22:11 - Nov 17 with 399 viewsfactual_blue

Children in Need on 22:08 - Nov 17 by gtsb1966

Perhaps they havent come to Sudbury then. I'll revise my judgement until they've had time to evaluate the lazy barstewards.


Report those you know or believe to be falsely claiming. I've given you the hot line details.

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Children in Need on 22:13 - Nov 17 with 389 viewsLibero

Children in Need on 21:45 - Nov 17 by gtsb1966

Workshy....people who feign illness to gain benefits. Just in case you're wondering I'm 51, voted Labour for most of my life, but see nothing from anyone to end this plague. Too many lazy barstewards exploiting too many loopholes.


I dunno what world you're living in but I have a couple of family members who are seriously ill that can't work yet the government denies them any financial support...
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Children in Need on 22:18 - Nov 17 with 374 viewsEly_Blue

Children in Need on 22:06 - Nov 17 by Libero

True patriot.


Just speaking honestly and telling the truth, if you had the opportunity to legally avoid paying some of your 50% tax wouldn’t you? Be honest here!

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Children in Need on 22:19 - Nov 17 with 365 viewsLibero

Children in Need on 22:18 - Nov 17 by Ely_Blue

Just speaking honestly and telling the truth, if you had the opportunity to legally avoid paying some of your 50% tax wouldn’t you? Be honest here!


Nope, I'd happily pay more tax.
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Children in Need on 22:20 - Nov 17 with 369 viewsgtsb1966

Children in Need on 22:11 - Nov 17 by factual_blue

Report those you know or believe to be falsely claiming. I've given you the hot line details.


I don't need it. Im a labour voter ( most of my life) and can see that there are many, not a few,but many people on benefits who claim through illnesses that they cannot work but are just lazy. Unfortunately this despicable government are targeting the vulnerable and not those I'm speaking about. Unfortunately the Labour party still have their heads buried in the sand.
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Children in Need on 22:21 - Nov 17 with 357 viewsLibero

Children in Need on 22:20 - Nov 17 by gtsb1966

I don't need it. Im a labour voter ( most of my life) and can see that there are many, not a few,but many people on benefits who claim through illnesses that they cannot work but are just lazy. Unfortunately this despicable government are targeting the vulnerable and not those I'm speaking about. Unfortunately the Labour party still have their heads buried in the sand.


How hard was your doctorate? Are you a GP or privately contracted to someone like BUPA?
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Children in Need on 22:24 - Nov 17 with 354 viewsgtsb1966

Children in Need on 22:21 - Nov 17 by Libero

How hard was your doctorate? Are you a GP or privately contracted to someone like BUPA?


Can you not accept there are thousands of frauds out there.
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Children in Need on 22:25 - Nov 17 with 347 viewsLibero

Children in Need on 22:24 - Nov 17 by gtsb1966

Can you not accept there are thousands of frauds out there.


I'm yet to see any evidence to prove that there are, please help educate me...
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Children in Need on 22:27 - Nov 17 with 349 viewsfactual_blue

Children in Need on 22:20 - Nov 17 by gtsb1966

I don't need it. Im a labour voter ( most of my life) and can see that there are many, not a few,but many people on benefits who claim through illnesses that they cannot work but are just lazy. Unfortunately this despicable government are targeting the vulnerable and not those I'm speaking about. Unfortunately the Labour party still have their heads buried in the sand.


I'm unclear: do you actually know of people who aren't ill who are claiming benefits on the basis that they are ill? If you do, why won't you report it?

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Children in Need on 22:33 - Nov 17 with 338 viewsgtsb1966

Children in Need on 22:25 - Nov 17 by Libero

I'm yet to see any evidence to prove that there are, please help educate me...


Used to be back ache, now it's stress. You know it , I know it, the whole world knows it.
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Children in Need on 22:34 - Nov 17 with 331 viewsLibero

Children in Need on 22:33 - Nov 17 by gtsb1966

Used to be back ache, now it's stress. You know it , I know it, the whole world knows it.


So that's no evidence but a whole load of ignorance towards the impact years of physical pain can cause on your mental wellbeing, fair enough!
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Children in Need on 22:35 - Nov 17 with 329 viewsLibero

Children in Need on 22:27 - Nov 17 by factual_blue

I'm unclear: do you actually know of people who aren't ill who are claiming benefits on the basis that they are ill? If you do, why won't you report it?


He's talking pure b0llocks, best we leave him too it...
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Children in Need on 22:38 - Nov 17 with 320 viewsgtsb1966

Children in Need on 22:35 - Nov 17 by Libero

He's talking pure b0llocks, best we leave him too it...


So will you not accept there are thousands exploiting the benefits system with false or over exaggerated illnesses.
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Children in Need on 22:39 - Nov 17 with 309 viewsLibero

Children in Need on 22:38 - Nov 17 by gtsb1966

So will you not accept there are thousands exploiting the benefits system with false or over exaggerated illnesses.


Not until you offer me some evidence, no.
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Children in Need on 22:43 - Nov 17 with 299 viewsfactual_blue

Children in Need on 22:33 - Nov 17 by gtsb1966

Used to be back ache, now it's stress. You know it , I know it, the whole world knows it.


The last DWP figures calculate loss due to fraud and error as 1.9% of total benefit expenditure.

Again if you know of people committing fraud, report them. You can do so anonymously.

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Children in Need on 22:45 - Nov 17 with 295 viewsgtsb1966

Children in Need on 22:39 - Nov 17 by Libero

Not until you offer me some evidence, no.




And there are loads more. You OK with her?
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Children in Need on 22:45 - Nov 17 with 289 viewsBlueBadger

Children in Need on 21:32 - Nov 17 by gtsb1966

Stop...benefits for the work shy. Increase....health.


Well, cutting benefits spending would be one way to ensure that health spending went up. Mainly because more people would be ill from malnutrition, chest complaints and massively exacerbated mental health problems due to pointless stress caused by vindictive turds cutting their money.

And frankly, nobody posting on here has any right to call anyone else 'workshy'...

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Children in Need on 22:46 - Nov 17 with 288 viewsBlueBadger

Children in Need on 21:45 - Nov 17 by gtsb1966

Workshy....people who feign illness to gain benefits. Just in case you're wondering I'm 51, voted Labour for most of my life, but see nothing from anyone to end this plague. Too many lazy barstewards exploiting too many loopholes.


Or, as it's known 'less than 2% of people currently claiming sickness benefit'.
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Children in Need on 22:46 - Nov 17 with 284 viewsLibero

Children in Need on 22:45 - Nov 17 by gtsb1966



And there are loads more. You OK with her?


Give me some actual data, not anecdotal manipulative rubbish devoid of context. No wonder you're so easily led.
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Children in Need on 22:49 - Nov 17 with 273 viewsSwansea_Blue

Children in Need on 22:39 - Nov 17 by Libero

Not until you offer me some evidence, no.


Have you been living in a bubble Libby? Benefit cheats are caught and prosecuted all the time. Just do a trawl through news pages. No idea how big the problem is mind, but I suspect those who are caught are not the sum total.

*But* the system should be geared to those who need it, not designed to hinder frauds at the cost of genuine claimants. I've no experience personally, but hear enough grumblings via colleagues and extended family that suggest things are not right under the current Govt.

There's some shocking stories published in the press too. You have to recognise that these are not the bigger picture, but nonetheless people's lives are being ruined when the system fails.

I don't know what I'm trying to say really! Other than of course there are frauds - lots of court cases prove that. But yes, agree with you that the effect of a bad system is massive on those affected.

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Children in Need on 22:50 - Nov 17 with 273 viewsBlueBadger

Children in Need on 22:33 - Nov 17 by gtsb1966

Used to be back ache, now it's stress. You know it , I know it, the whole world knows it.


Ah, the University Of Life. Purveyors of the finest degrees in 'Stuff This Bloke Down The Pub Told Me' in the world.

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Children in Need on 22:51 - Nov 17 with 267 viewsStNeotsBlue

Children in Need on 22:39 - Nov 17 by Libero

Not until you offer me some evidence, no.


I'm a card carrying Labour voter, but it is as daft to suggest that nobody is abusing the system as it is to suggest that everyone who claims benefits is.
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Children in Need on 22:53 - Nov 17 with 259 viewsLibero

Children in Need on 22:51 - Nov 17 by StNeotsBlue

I'm a card carrying Labour voter, but it is as daft to suggest that nobody is abusing the system as it is to suggest that everyone who claims benefits is.


Who said "nobody" is abusing the system? I just refute that it's the suggested swarm that gtsb makes out.

I'd be very interested to see some actual academic research or data.
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Children in Need on 22:54 - Nov 17 with 260 viewsBlueBadger

Children in Need on 22:51 - Nov 17 by StNeotsBlue

I'm a card carrying Labour voter, but it is as daft to suggest that nobody is abusing the system as it is to suggest that everyone who claims benefits is.


The numbers are vanishing small with regards to the budget as a whole. As Facters points out, it's currently estimated that the fraud and error spend on the DWP budget is 1.9%. The current assessments scheme is currently enormously flawed with 65% of appeals against sanction or disability assessment successful. That's an enormous waste, right there.

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