| Corbyn you cretin.nm 19:35 - Mar 20 with 21546 views | giant_stow |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:20 - Mar 21 with 903 views | StokieBlue |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:14 - Mar 21 by BackToRussia |
It's undemocratic to have another referendum as it's just a straight, closed question. A ge is very clearly not that, and given we are in the midst of the biggest parliamentary impasse in British political history, I'd say we need to do something.
Maybe it'd be another hung parliament (maybe it wouldn't also), but even so the makeup of MPs would be different. The tories being propped up by the dup is absurd. |
I guess this is where we disagree, I think a GE would actually be fought on the exact same question as another referendum.
If you believe that given the current polling and the general opinions of the public Labour can win 60+ seats then I am not really sure what to say. It would almost certainly be a hung parliament.
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:21 - Mar 21 with 903 views | giant_stow |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:16 - Mar 21 by BackToRussia |
Did you just call me a fascist for respecting a democratic vote? |
Nope, I didn't call you a fascist - I said what you wrote was semi-fascist. Big difference.
And I made that comment because you appear to want to shut down any future role for democracy in deciding the issue. An issue which is clearly undecided right now. This is how dictators come to power - one time vote, get in and then shut the fcker down. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:22 - Mar 21 with 897 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:10 - Mar 21 by Steve_M |
The last Labour manifesto didn't do very much to reduce austerity though did it? The signature policy was scrapping tuition fees to get the student vote.
I've been a persistent critic of austerity and the real damage it's done to the state. It was always an ideological project to shrink the state and Labour's failure to argue against the Tory view was the greatest failing of the Milliband era. I don't think that's merely a socialist position anymore, if it was in the first place, it's one shared by a large part of the country.
Style of leadership does matter though, most people aren't as interested in politics as you and I are and make judgements fairly quickly. That's less than optimal but it is reality. |
Talking of reality, here is a lifetime's worth of democracy as things stand....'x', .'x',.'x'.'x',.'x'.'x.'x',.'x'.'x'.'x',.'x'.'x'. |  |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:23 - Mar 21 with 891 views | BackToRussia |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:18 - Mar 21 by Herbivore |
Any second referendum would be on the negotiated deal versus remain. Leave would be something concrete. |
Wouldn't the negotiated deal have to then be voted thru parliament... Again? |  |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:24 - Mar 21 with 888 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:18 - Mar 21 by Herbivore |
Any second referendum would be on the negotiated deal versus remain. Leave would be something concrete. |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:25 - Mar 21 with 887 views | BackToRussia |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:21 - Mar 21 by giant_stow |
Nope, I didn't call you a fascist - I said what you wrote was semi-fascist. Big difference.
And I made that comment because you appear to want to shut down any future role for democracy in deciding the issue. An issue which is clearly undecided right now. This is how dictators come to power - one time vote, get in and then shut the fcker down. |
I'm literally calling for a general election. Sort yourself out.
If tig want to stand on the basis of a referendum then great. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:25 - Mar 21 with 884 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:21 - Mar 21 by giant_stow |
Nope, I didn't call you a fascist - I said what you wrote was semi-fascist. Big difference.
And I made that comment because you appear to want to shut down any future role for democracy in deciding the issue. An issue which is clearly undecided right now. This is how dictators come to power - one time vote, get in and then shut the fcker down. |
BTR a facist?
I have known BTR since he was a wee lad and he is more left wing than Corbyn.
I have also known Zed since he was a wee lad. Trust me, they would both think Corbyn is a right wing nutter.
I love them both by the way, I think of them as my children. [Post edited 21 Mar 2019 10:34]
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:26 - Mar 21 with 881 views | Herbivore |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:23 - Mar 21 by BackToRussia |
Wouldn't the negotiated deal have to then be voted thru parliament... Again? |
Parliament would have a very difficult time rejecting a deal that has been voted through by the public. Did you honestly think a second referendum would just be identical to the first? Literally not one person has been calling for that. Leave needs to be something concrete this time. |  |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:27 - Mar 21 with 871 views | Herbivore |
Grown ups are trying to talk here, hun. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:28 - Mar 21 with 870 views | BackToRussia |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:26 - Mar 21 by Herbivore |
Parliament would have a very difficult time rejecting a deal that has been voted through by the public. Did you honestly think a second referendum would just be identical to the first? Literally not one person has been calling for that. Leave needs to be something concrete this time. |
You think so? There's been plenty of opposition to Brexit as it is.
It's basically an identical question though isn't it. The man on the street has no clue what May's deal actually consists of. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:28 - Mar 21 with 867 views | giant_stow |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:25 - Mar 21 by BackToRussia |
I'm literally calling for a general election. Sort yourself out.
If tig want to stand on the basis of a referendum then great. |
...While dismissing the vote which would sort out the issue. Sort yourself mr! | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:29 - Mar 21 with 863 views | BackToRussia |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:25 - Mar 21 by Lord_Lucan |
BTR a facist?
I have known BTR since he was a wee lad and he is more left wing than Corbyn.
I have also known Zed since he was a wee lad. Trust me, they would both think Corbyn is a right wing nutter.
I love them both by the way, I think of them as my children. [Post edited 21 Mar 2019 10:34]
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Haha thanks pups. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:29 - Mar 21 with 860 views | Herbivore |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:28 - Mar 21 by BackToRussia |
You think so? There's been plenty of opposition to Brexit as it is.
It's basically an identical question though isn't it. The man on the street has no clue what May's deal actually consists of. |
No, it's not basically an identical question at all. If you're worried about parliament then make a second referendum binding rather than advisory. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:30 - Mar 21 with 858 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:27 - Mar 21 by Herbivore |
Grown ups are trying to talk here, hun. |
Deluded too ! (check your belittling, your all thick and racist posting history!)
Take it you are not interested in Parliament taking indicative votes then? [Post edited 21 Mar 2019 10:34]
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:31 - Mar 21 with 855 views | BackToRussia |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:28 - Mar 21 by giant_stow |
...While dismissing the vote which would sort out the issue. Sort yourself mr! |
Um, no. You're the one dismissing the referendum result. We have general elections quite often, you may have missed that. We only have referendums when the Tory party are in an internal crisis. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:32 - Mar 21 with 854 views | Herbivore |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:30 - Mar 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Deluded too ! (check your belittling, your all thick and racist posting history!)
Take it you are not interested in Parliament taking indicative votes then? [Post edited 21 Mar 2019 10:34]
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I'd be up for that if they are meaningful, free votes. See what sort of deal they would back, go back to the EU with it, then take it back to the people.
Nice edit by the way. I don't appreciate your lies though, but they speak of your character so I'll console myself with that. [Post edited 21 Mar 2019 10:51]
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:32 - Mar 21 with 854 views | giant_stow |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:25 - Mar 21 by Lord_Lucan |
BTR a facist?
I have known BTR since he was a wee lad and he is more left wing than Corbyn.
I have also known Zed since he was a wee lad. Trust me, they would both think Corbyn is a right wing nutter.
I love them both by the way, I think of them as my children. [Post edited 21 Mar 2019 10:34]
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Fair enough and I remember reading some of BtR's stuff on Marxism / Communism / Agricultural stuff and agreeing with a lot of it, but I believe he's very wrong on this issue. Talk of 'you lost' or no more voting is fascist in nature - I repeat that I don't believe BtR to be a fascist. That would be silly, but what he's arguing for isn't great in my book. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:33 - Mar 21 with 849 views | Herbivore |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:31 - Mar 21 by BackToRussia |
Um, no. You're the one dismissing the referendum result. We have general elections quite often, you may have missed that. We only have referendums when the Tory party are in an internal crisis. |
If we had a GE now it'd be the 3rd one in 4 years. Farcical. It's not a solution to the impasse, you're being sold a pup. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:33 - Mar 21 with 849 views | Guthrum |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 01:36 - Mar 21 by XYZ |
Not a party as recognised by the law, then. All MP's not following a whip or allegiance.
The invitation was a political point scoring exercise. At a time of national crisis.
Shameful at best. Corrupt most likely. The evidence is mounting. |
The law does not recognise political parties except for the aspect of regulating their spending during elections. Hence it is the Electoral Commission they register with.
On thing which infuriates me is the impatience in British politics. A new grouping isn't allowed a few months to evolve into a party - it must be done instantly. If we don't have a government formed within days of an election, people start screaming. |  |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:34 - Mar 21 with 846 views | giant_stow |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:31 - Mar 21 by BackToRussia |
Um, no. You're the one dismissing the referendum result. We have general elections quite often, you may have missed that. We only have referendums when the Tory party are in an internal crisis. |
You're dismissing a possible future referendum.
I'm not dismissing the last one - I'm saying it was flawed and incomplete as demonstrated by the current mess. We need another. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:37 - Mar 21 with 832 views | BackToRussia |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:34 - Mar 21 by giant_stow |
You're dismissing a possible future referendum.
I'm not dismissing the last one - I'm saying it was flawed and incomplete as demonstrated by the current mess. We need another. |
Yes no doubt everything will be plain sailing after that. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:40 - Mar 21 with 825 views | giant_stow |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:37 - Mar 21 by BackToRussia |
Yes no doubt everything will be plain sailing after that. |
I wouldn't put it that strongly, but if the vote was between clearly defined options which had no wriggle room, then yes, there's be less arguing and more doing whatever the result. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:42 - Mar 21 with 824 views | BackToRussia |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:33 - Mar 21 by Herbivore |
If we had a GE now it'd be the 3rd one in 4 years. Farcical. It's not a solution to the impasse, you're being sold a pup. |
It's all irrelevant really, I'll be voting for a Labour government regardless of Brexit. There are many more domestic issues that concern me a great deal more than whether we're in political union with the EU.
And you? Waste a vote on the greens or something? | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:45 - Mar 21 with 816 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:34 - Mar 21 by giant_stow |
You're dismissing a possible future referendum.
I'm not dismissing the last one - I'm saying it was flawed and incomplete as demonstrated by the current mess. We need another. |
I really must crack on with some work today but I have to say this.
I'm quite surprised BTR doesn't want another referendum to be honest. I don't know for a fact but I would think he voted for remain like me.
He seems a chip off the block as he recognises the damage and the undemocratic nature of a second vote. "Peoples vote"? Who the hell voted in the first one.
Brexit is not good IMHO but the ramifications of it will be nothing compared to a failure to deliver the result. There will be mass civil unrest for a generation.
As a side note I think David Cameron should be imprisoned. | |
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| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:47 - Mar 21 with 811 views | Herbivore |
| Corbyn you cretin.nm on 10:42 - Mar 21 by BackToRussia |
It's all irrelevant really, I'll be voting for a Labour government regardless of Brexit. There are many more domestic issues that concern me a great deal more than whether we're in political union with the EU.
And you? Waste a vote on the greens or something? |
I'll vote Labour but with no great joy. Jezza is not the saviour. | |
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