| Saracens 14:29 - Jan 22 with 1315 views | hype313 |
I know lots on here aren't bothered by Rugby, but I find it incredible that they got offered to choose between opening up thier books or get relegated, and they chose the latter. Regardless of the fact they will walk the league next season, but to knowingly lose the spine of theirs and the national team so you don't have to show how much you have cheated is bonkers.
Hopefully the FA will look at this and start punishing clubs in a far more stringent way, presume QPR are still involved in legalities with their fine from 5 years ago? [Post edited 22 Jan 2020 14:33]
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| Saracens on 14:31 - Jan 22 with 1287 views | BlueNomad |
Football really should take a lead from this. |  | | |
| Saracens on 14:35 - Jan 22 with 1274 views | itfcjoe |
This has been an open secret for years in the game, I'd been aware of it for 4 or 5 years and assumed it was all common knowledge how much they were cheating but obviously not.
Also, with regards to FFP, there is a big difference between overspending and having accounts audited and doing a lot of stuff off the books and getting caught bang to rights |  |
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| Saracens on 16:16 - Jan 22 with 1161 views | BlueForYou |
| Saracens on 14:35 - Jan 22 by itfcjoe |
This has been an open secret for years in the game, I'd been aware of it for 4 or 5 years and assumed it was all common knowledge how much they were cheating but obviously not.
Also, with regards to FFP, there is a big difference between overspending and having accounts audited and doing a lot of stuff off the books and getting caught bang to rights |
Its been going on since at least 2012. As a Rugby fan & STH at Harlequins for many years, yes its refeshing that a game with a salary cap does actually enforce it. However Premiership Rugby have known about this since 2015 but chose to sweep it under the carpet. Its only the Daily Mail journalist who decided to look into it more deeply & uncovered the truth, who has brough justice. I think Premiership Rugby are next in line for an investigation. Its not the first time this has happened, Melbourne Rebels were stripped oftitles won in the NRL a few years ago. A lot more to come out here as yet. I suspect the Sarries Internationals will go out on sabbatical loans to other leagues for a season & when they return, the rules may be very different. |  | | |
| Saracens on 16:33 - Jan 22 with 1137 views | Radlett_blue |
| Saracens on 16:16 - Jan 22 by BlueForYou |
Its been going on since at least 2012. As a Rugby fan & STH at Harlequins for many years, yes its refeshing that a game with a salary cap does actually enforce it. However Premiership Rugby have known about this since 2015 but chose to sweep it under the carpet. Its only the Daily Mail journalist who decided to look into it more deeply & uncovered the truth, who has brough justice. I think Premiership Rugby are next in line for an investigation. Its not the first time this has happened, Melbourne Rebels were stripped oftitles won in the NRL a few years ago. A lot more to come out here as yet. I suspect the Sarries Internationals will go out on sabbatical loans to other leagues for a season & when they return, the rules may be very different. |
You're right - Saracens were doing all sorts of nonsense before, such as paying a player's wife £100,000 a year to make a few sandwiches, as a way around the salary cap. Very clumsy from a man as clever as Nigel Wray (who was also a brief & unsuccessful owner of Nottingham Forest in the late 1990s). I'm also amazed Wray thought his co-investment scam would hoodwink the authorities (but maybe he thought they didn't care, given he's got away with his previous scams). However, I'm told the South Africans who had co-owned Saracens for 10 years sold their half back to Wray in 2018 as they were sure the illicit dealings would get rumbled. |  |
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| Saracens on 20:40 - Jan 22 with 1035 views | hype313 |
| Saracens on 16:33 - Jan 22 by Radlett_blue |
You're right - Saracens were doing all sorts of nonsense before, such as paying a player's wife £100,000 a year to make a few sandwiches, as a way around the salary cap. Very clumsy from a man as clever as Nigel Wray (who was also a brief & unsuccessful owner of Nottingham Forest in the late 1990s). I'm also amazed Wray thought his co-investment scam would hoodwink the authorities (but maybe he thought they didn't care, given he's got away with his previous scams). However, I'm told the South Africans who had co-owned Saracens for 10 years sold their half back to Wray in 2018 as they were sure the illicit dealings would get rumbled. |
I listened to a podcast with Andy Goode who had a twitter spat with Brenda Venter earlier, Venter had a shocker, couldn't admit that they had been done wrong, it was whatabouterry on so many levels | |
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| Saracens on 20:48 - Jan 22 with 1027 views | WD19 |
| Saracens on 16:16 - Jan 22 by BlueForYou |
Its been going on since at least 2012. As a Rugby fan & STH at Harlequins for many years, yes its refeshing that a game with a salary cap does actually enforce it. However Premiership Rugby have known about this since 2015 but chose to sweep it under the carpet. Its only the Daily Mail journalist who decided to look into it more deeply & uncovered the truth, who has brough justice. I think Premiership Rugby are next in line for an investigation. Its not the first time this has happened, Melbourne Rebels were stripped oftitles won in the NRL a few years ago. A lot more to come out here as yet. I suspect the Sarries Internationals will go out on sabbatical loans to other leagues for a season & when they return, the rules may be very different. |
That’s one of the biggest irritations for me. The fact that Saracens getting caught breaking the rules seems to be a signal to change the rules as much as it has been to enforce them.
Wouldn’t surprise me if - once Saracens come safely back up - the Premiership doesn’t bin relegation and promotion altogether. |  | | |
| Saracens on 22:30 - Jan 22 with 955 views | BlueForYou |
| Saracens on 20:48 - Jan 22 by WD19 |
That’s one of the biggest irritations for me. The fact that Saracens getting caught breaking the rules seems to be a signal to change the rules as much as it has been to enforce them.
Wouldn’t surprise me if - once Saracens come safely back up - the Premiership doesn’t bin relegation and promotion altogether. |
There’s talk of them having to stay down for two years. One year punishment, second year they have to prove they are financially sound. They must rue the day they got involved with Venter. Personally I think that relegation will stay but it certainly wouldn’t be a surprise to see a huge change to the Salary cap rules. | | | |
| Saracens on 23:37 - Jan 22 with 913 views | bournemouthblue |
| Saracens on 14:35 - Jan 22 by itfcjoe |
This has been an open secret for years in the game, I'd been aware of it for 4 or 5 years and assumed it was all common knowledge how much they were cheating but obviously not.
Also, with regards to FFP, there is a big difference between overspending and having accounts audited and doing a lot of stuff off the books and getting caught bang to rights |
A mate was talking about this at my Cricket Dinner last season
Are Saracens likely to be the only team who were doing this or is it known others have been doing it also?
It's good to see a proper punishment put into place, FFP has proved almost completely pointless in the English game thus far
Several clubs have been bending the rules and getting away with it for some time
Others like Bournemouth got promoted, took the fine and have enjoyed Premier League football for years after |  |
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