| 25 points from 23 games 21:38 - Feb 29 with 5169 views | itfcjoe |
Less than AFC Wimbledon, Accrington Stanley, just 5 more than Bolton.....
And people think that is Evans fault and not the manager? Give me strength |  |
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| 25 points from 23 games on 09:42 - Mar 1 with 819 views | jayessess |
| 25 points from 23 games on 08:32 - Mar 1 by Keaneish |
For all PL’s faults though, look at the players stupid mistakes littering this season. Couple that it’s the inability to put teams to the sword and I have a fraction of empathy for PL. The amount of chances we’ve created in more games than not since Jan should easily have us back in the hunt. |
You could say this about every single unsuccessful football team in the world though. The skill of a manager is in assembling and training a group of players such that over a season they succeed by taking opportunities and not making mistakes. |  |
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| 25 points from 23 games on 09:49 - Mar 1 with 808 views | blueconscience |
Keep defending Evans and enjoy the ride down the football pyramid. |  |
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| 25 points from 23 games on 09:54 - Mar 1 with 795 views | BlueyandCrazy |
| 25 points from 23 games on 22:25 - Feb 29 by itfcjoe |
Don’t think so, if he is to go this season think it will be like when Jim did when it was mathematically impossible for top 6 |
I doubt that is going to happen either; he'll get the summer and next season at least. It is seen as a long-term turnaround job, and will take time; the owner is supportive of this, so we'd better get used to it. I really don't think promotion this season is the be all and end all for the owner as it seems for the fans. I think for a number of reasons Marcus Evans is ok to spend a few seasons in League 1;
- Team can be rebuilt easier in league one, offloading expensive contracts, and replacing with cheaper
- In Championship, short-term pressure to stay up will outweigh this, and if we were to get relegated we would be back to the same again anyway.
- Once championship contracts are rolled off in League 1 the weekly/monthly financial state of the club will probably become more viable than it was in the Championship anyway.
- We can over the course of a year or two built a team and a style which will take us up and keep us up. It may take several transfer windows/expiry of contracts, youths coming through to do this.
All the logic suggests this is the approach the ownership and management are taking. Lambert going sooner than later doesn't fit into this, even if we are well off the playoffs - in fact it could even be seen as in line with it. Of course we fans get frustrated with losing and losing streaks, but part of the problem with Football is that it is too short-termist..............replace Lambert with whoever, and the rebuilding job starts over again..........Evans is (hopefully) learning from his mistakes in the Championship where managerial appointments and changing the managers were purely based on getting us up asap......look how that worked out. |  |
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| 25 points from 23 games on 09:59 - Mar 1 with 786 views | BlueyandCrazy |
| 25 points from 23 games on 09:49 - Mar 1 by blueconscience |
Keep defending Evans and enjoy the ride down the football pyramid. |
All very well, but unless someone else is willing to step forward and take on the ongoing losses then we have to live with Evans.
The hope is that he has learnt, is learning and will learn from his past mistakes and experience - that is where he can really be criticised. In terms of the financial backing it is difficult to criticise (other than to ask for more!) - its his money; he probably did back the wrong managers that said. | |
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| 25 points from 23 games on 10:00 - Mar 1 with 782 views | blueconscience |
| 25 points from 23 games on 09:59 - Mar 1 by BlueyandCrazy |
All very well, but unless someone else is willing to step forward and take on the ongoing losses then we have to live with Evans.
The hope is that he has learnt, is learning and will learn from his past mistakes and experience - that is where he can really be criticised. In terms of the financial backing it is difficult to criticise (other than to ask for more!) - its his money; he probably did back the wrong managers that said. |
Am not saying anyone will come and buy the mess Evans has created. Just confused why people defend his miserable failings.
So, just saying, if you are not going to complain, just enjoy the outcome of what you support. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 10:01]
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| 25 points from 23 games on 10:12 - Mar 1 with 752 views | jayessess |
| 25 points from 23 games on 09:54 - Mar 1 by BlueyandCrazy |
I doubt that is going to happen either; he'll get the summer and next season at least. It is seen as a long-term turnaround job, and will take time; the owner is supportive of this, so we'd better get used to it. I really don't think promotion this season is the be all and end all for the owner as it seems for the fans. I think for a number of reasons Marcus Evans is ok to spend a few seasons in League 1;
- Team can be rebuilt easier in league one, offloading expensive contracts, and replacing with cheaper
- In Championship, short-term pressure to stay up will outweigh this, and if we were to get relegated we would be back to the same again anyway.
- Once championship contracts are rolled off in League 1 the weekly/monthly financial state of the club will probably become more viable than it was in the Championship anyway.
- We can over the course of a year or two built a team and a style which will take us up and keep us up. It may take several transfer windows/expiry of contracts, youths coming through to do this.
All the logic suggests this is the approach the ownership and management are taking. Lambert going sooner than later doesn't fit into this, even if we are well off the playoffs - in fact it could even be seen as in line with it. Of course we fans get frustrated with losing and losing streaks, but part of the problem with Football is that it is too short-termist..............replace Lambert with whoever, and the rebuilding job starts over again..........Evans is (hopefully) learning from his mistakes in the Championship where managerial appointments and changing the managers were purely based on getting us up asap......look how that worked out. |
Football doesn't work like this in 2020, even if it ever did.
- There's no such thing as a "long-term turnaround job". It's a myth that modern football is full of stories of coaches that failed for a season and a half, then suddenly came good.
- There is no logic to the idea that it's "easier to rebuild in L1". Why would lower revenues make it easier to rebuild? Or offload expensive contracts? How is there any less "short-term pressure" in L1 and the Championship?
- This is not just "a losing streak", this is relegation form for 2/3rds of the season. The only teams playing as badly as us are a quarter of our size.
- By the time McCarthy went he was in the top 5 longest-serving bosses in the football league. Lambert has already had longer than the majority of bosses in League One. Our problem isn't short-termism, it's passivity. | |
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| 25 points from 23 games on 10:30 - Mar 1 with 728 views | BlueyandCrazy |
| 25 points from 23 games on 10:12 - Mar 1 by jayessess |
Football doesn't work like this in 2020, even if it ever did.
- There's no such thing as a "long-term turnaround job". It's a myth that modern football is full of stories of coaches that failed for a season and a half, then suddenly came good.
- There is no logic to the idea that it's "easier to rebuild in L1". Why would lower revenues make it easier to rebuild? Or offload expensive contracts? How is there any less "short-term pressure" in L1 and the Championship?
- This is not just "a losing streak", this is relegation form for 2/3rds of the season. The only teams playing as badly as us are a quarter of our size.
- By the time McCarthy went he was in the top 5 longest-serving bosses in the football league. Lambert has already had longer than the majority of bosses in League One. Our problem isn't short-termism, it's passivity. |
My point is that we need to understand (may be not accept) though, that is the way the ownership and management are probably approaching things.....
and there is some logic from a finance and business perspective, as well as football also;
- the funding gap for Evans could be less in League 1, once the championship contracts are rolled off.
- there are several examples of rebuilding teams in League 1 over the years...or another way of putting it, several big clubs who spent several years in league 1
NB re your first point, across football history, some of the most decorated managers have struggled for more than a season before they built their own team and took it to success..... | |
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| 25 points from 23 games on 10:51 - Mar 1 with 708 views | jayessess |
| 25 points from 23 games on 10:30 - Mar 1 by BlueyandCrazy |
My point is that we need to understand (may be not accept) though, that is the way the ownership and management are probably approaching things.....
and there is some logic from a finance and business perspective, as well as football also;
- the funding gap for Evans could be less in League 1, once the championship contracts are rolled off.
- there are several examples of rebuilding teams in League 1 over the years...or another way of putting it, several big clubs who spent several years in league 1
NB re your first point, across football history, some of the most decorated managers have struggled for more than a season before they built their own team and took it to success..... |
- Sorry, no, there's no logic to the idea that it's easier to improve a football club with lower revenues. Being in L1 narrows the pool of players we can potentially recruit, it diminishes the monetary value of the players we have, it puts financial pressure on the club to reduce academy spending. It doesn't make it any easier to offload senior professionals or to be more progressive with signings.
- There are no examples of big clubs "rebuilding in League One" doing so with the coach that got them relegated or by persisting with the coaches that failed to get them back up at the first attempt.
- Who are all these "decorated managers" who *started* with a 2 season depression? Ferguson took Man U to 2nd in his first full season, had one bad one after that, then won significant silverware in almost every season thereafter. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 10:52]
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| 25 points from 23 games on 11:00 - Mar 1 with 693 views | Keaneish |
| 25 points from 23 games on 09:42 - Mar 1 by jayessess |
You could say this about every single unsuccessful football team in the world though. The skill of a manager is in assembling and training a group of players such that over a season they succeed by taking opportunities and not making mistakes. |
Not every unsuccessful football team has a vastly superior squad and budget relative to its league status though. Whole heartedly agree with the second point though. The manager needs to eradicate players making mistakes and players need to fulfil their ability - currently we’re failing on both fronts.
Now we’re at the business end of the season everything is under the microscope but in truth, we’ve been mistaking mistakes since Burton and Sunderland; Holy’s blocked kick that squirmed wide, Chambers failure to shield the ball out, Norwood’s missed pen... |  |
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