| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform 10:19 - May 12 with 2643 views | Darth_Koont |
This is a damning verdict but still a pretty fair comment if you take a step back and look at the wider picture:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/10/anglo-american-coronavirus
There aren't any benefits to coronavirus in real terms. But it's been a pause button that's helped us reappraise the environment, people's worth in society, our dependence on each other etc. The rest of the world will also be taking that on board too.
But in the UK our extra remedial homework is to look in the mirror about our politics, government and the media that has clearly failed to hold power to account. Because here in the UK and the US the pandemic is providing a pretty thorough audit of how we operate publicly - and the results don't look good.
However our biggest failure would be not to demand better from those established institutions and structures. We should be pushing for reform pretty much throughout.
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| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:04 - May 12 with 465 views | itfcjoe |
| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 11:28 - May 12 by Lord_Lucan |
Again, far too simplistic - especially when the much loved Covid death league is certainly not reliable.
If you wish to take the figures as gospel we are behind both Italy and Spain in deaths per million, we won't even mention Belgium who have tested more than Germany but have a death rate per million approaching x 9
It is obvious that population density is a massive swing factor in Covid cases, it doesn't take a genius to realise that any R rate over 1 is going to cause massive problems in countries with dense populations, international visitors and trade and areas with high BAME occupants, if you take that to its conclusion and if you do indeed wish to compare the Premier League of death counts then Ireland on 302 deaths per million against UK on 482 deaths per million is mentally bad [Post edited 12 May 2020 11:30]
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Our population density is higher, but we also are in island and had the opportunity to lock down borders to contain it - that couldn't happen quickly when these countries have hundreds of land borders |  |
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| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:07 - May 12 with 456 views | Darth_Koont |
| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 12:58 - May 12 by Lord_Lucan |
What I will agree with is that we have relaxed the lockdown a fortnight too early and that the new directive is confusing to say the least.
Certainly not thought out.
I can't see why no one in government listened to Boris's latest address to the nation prior to it being broadcast and said "Hang on a minute, it's too complicated and vague, in fact it needs completely reworking" |
Unfortunately, I think it's deliberately vague and deliberately rushed out to sew confusion and start shifting the responsibility and "blame" onto the British public.
I'm getting ready for weeks dominated by Covidiot stories all over the Tory front pages and spread through social media. | |
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| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:10 - May 12 with 446 views | Lord_Lucan |
| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:04 - May 12 by itfcjoe |
Our population density is higher, but we also are in island and had the opportunity to lock down borders to contain it - that couldn't happen quickly when these countries have hundreds of land borders |
It isn't that straightforward to lock down one of the busiest international hubs on the planet.
Also no country has hundreds of land borders to be fair. |  |
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| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:14 - May 12 with 436 views | Herbivore |
| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:07 - May 12 by Darth_Koont |
Unfortunately, I think it's deliberately vague and deliberately rushed out to sew confusion and start shifting the responsibility and "blame" onto the British public.
I'm getting ready for weeks dominated by Covidiot stories all over the Tory front pages and spread through social media. |
It's not the government's fault if people don't show common sense, etc. etc. |  |
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| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:25 - May 12 with 420 views | Darth_Koont |
| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:14 - May 12 by Herbivore |
It's not the government's fault if people don't show common sense, etc. etc. |
Exactly. The common sense mantra felt deeply suspicious. | |
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| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:36 - May 12 with 403 views | itfcjoe |
| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:10 - May 12 by Lord_Lucan |
It isn't that straightforward to lock down one of the busiest international hubs on the planet.
Also no country has hundreds of land borders to be fair. |
A few weeks back things like the eventual lockdown, building hospitals in a week and the furloughing scheme would have been seen as pie in the sky.
None of this easy, but it's much simpler to lockdown the UK than it is somewhere in the Schnegen zone as an example | |
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| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:41 - May 12 with 397 views | gordon |
| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:10 - May 12 by Lord_Lucan |
It isn't that straightforward to lock down one of the busiest international hubs on the planet.
Also no country has hundreds of land borders to be fair. |
It wasn't straightforward, but it would have saved thousands of lives and billions to the economy.
Yes there would have been loads of pressure on Raab to get people home for a few weeks, but surely that's better than what we've got now? |  | | |
| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:42 - May 12 with 391 views | wellyblue |
| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 12:03 - May 12 by Herbivore |
“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” |
One of the classic books. |  | | |
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| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 19:45 - May 12 with 329 views | Leaky |
| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 13:36 - May 12 by itfcjoe |
A few weeks back things like the eventual lockdown, building hospitals in a week and the furloughing scheme would have been seen as pie in the sky.
None of this easy, but it's much simpler to lockdown the UK than it is somewhere in the Schnegen zone as an example |
Would have been better if China had been honest & made an attempt to keep it in Wuhan |  | | |
| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 19:51 - May 12 with 322 views | jeera |
| A time to take stock - and be ready to reform on 19:45 - May 12 by Leaky |
Would have been better if China had been honest & made an attempt to keep it in Wuhan |
They did make a damn good effort to keep it in Wuhan - at any cost at one point.
But yes, transparency wasn't exactly encouraged early doors.
That doesn't excuse how things have been dealt with elsewhere mind. What if it were to be a deliberate viral attack on the country? If we're going to continue with our policy of going around upsetting countries, picking fights everywhere, then we really should have some rapid response systems in place.
This has shown how vulnerable we would be huh?
Edit: China have become such prolific providers for the Globe that they would have been protecting that trade by any means possible which clearly means covering up the early situation hoping to get away with a localised issue.
The problem they, and we, face now is getting people to change their habits; i.e. the way they approach food. Their government must take proper steps towards health and safety and food standards if they want to continue to be taken seriously on the world stage.
People are going to be wary of them for a long time now you'd think which could cost them enormously. [Post edited 12 May 2020 20:49]
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