| Trump’s GOP 21:40 - Aug 19 with 2477 views | tractordownsouth |
She actually won a primary against other challengers.
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| Trump’s GOP on 09:30 - Aug 20 with 599 views | Guthrum |
| Trump’s GOP on 21:43 - Aug 19 by BlueBadger |
Yet again, the Decent Right Wingers fail to prevent racist loons getting a run at public office. I'm starting to think that 'decent right wingers' may be very thin on the ground, or even non-existent for all the fuss they make about them making office.
*edited for the hard of thinking and desperate-to-excuse-nutters* [Post edited 19 Aug 2020 22:38]
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Part of the problem is that the "right wing" is not a monolithic entity, but the US political system forces them to act as such. If the only available alternative to an unpleasant extremist such as her (because that particular cohort has taken over the local party organisation) is voting for someone at the other end of the political spectrum or disenfranchising themselves altogether, that becomes a hard choice. It takes a lot for even a moderate Republican to turn around and cast their ballot for four-to-eight years of Democrat rule.
Breaking down the political system is very difficult, particularly when it's as heavily predicated on money as the US one. Plus extremist groups will always be better organised and more single-minded about seizing control of political parties than the disparate mass of moderates - especially so in areas where support is already weak and there are fewer of the latter.
It becomes a harder choice still at a time of political polarisation, when the other main party is seen (and portrayed in partisan media) not so much a reasonable alternative, but as a diametric opposite to one's own position.
There are some signs that more moderate Republican supporters are turning against Trump, but it remains to be seen how many of those there actually are and whether they will carry that through to the ballot box on the day. Wouldn't take much of a swing from 2016 for Trump to lose the vote, tho. He can't win an election on the hardliners alone.
Plus the moderates do not have the 2016 excuse that they thought it was all rhetoric and he would be sensible once in office. |  |
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| Trump’s GOP on 10:02 - Aug 20 with 574 views | Guthrum |
| Trump’s GOP on 21:56 - Aug 19 by SpruceMoose |
These people aren't just going to disappear overnight should Trump lose in November.
They have become so deranged and blinded to reality and they are all in on this worldview. Whether they're motivated my attention seeking, feelings of failure or hatred without it they have nothing.
I think they're are an extremely dangerous problem the next administration will have to somehow solve. |
Tho once the media/public attention moves away, they will sink back into the shadows, shorn of much of their influence. A few squeaking voices in the more obscure depths of the internet, unamplified by tweets from the White House.
Longer term, increased economic stability will also help. The US is currently going through some of the pain we did in the 1970s and '80s - the decline and disappearance of heavy industry/mining, with consequent loss of jobs and social dislocation in formerly prosperous areas of the country. It's no coincidence that several of the states which swung 2016 for Trump were in the Rust Belt. | |
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| Trump’s GOP on 10:59 - Aug 20 with 558 views | BlueBadger |
| Trump’s GOP on 09:07 - Aug 20 by bluelagos |
Little doubt someone with those disgusting views has no place in mainstream politics.
I wonder whether those tweets were in common knowledge when she was selected? Or have they been uncovered/highlighted since? |
It was pretty common knowledge how vile Trump was when he got the nomination... |  |
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| Trump’s GOP on 12:17 - Aug 20 with 533 views | SpruceMoose |
| Trump’s GOP on 09:07 - Aug 20 by bluelagos |
Little doubt someone with those disgusting views has no place in mainstream politics.
I wonder whether those tweets were in common knowledge when she was selected? Or have they been uncovered/highlighted since? |
Oh she's an out and proud piece of work. Once again we see that, to her supporters, that's a feature and not a bug. |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Trump’s GOP on 12:28 - Aug 20 with 526 views | SpruceMoose |
| Trump’s GOP on 10:02 - Aug 20 by Guthrum |
Tho once the media/public attention moves away, they will sink back into the shadows, shorn of much of their influence. A few squeaking voices in the more obscure depths of the internet, unamplified by tweets from the White House.
Longer term, increased economic stability will also help. The US is currently going through some of the pain we did in the 1970s and '80s - the decline and disappearance of heavy industry/mining, with consequent loss of jobs and social dislocation in formerly prosperous areas of the country. It's no coincidence that several of the states which swung 2016 for Trump were in the Rust Belt. |
I admire your optimism Guthers, and for the sake of my friends and family I sincerely would love you to be correct, but having seen these folk at first hand I don't think that a lot of people overseas appreciate how dogmatic these people are.
Expecting them to not be an issue post-Trumo is like expecting Islamic extremists to settle down because Bin Laden is dead.
It's not just a political outlook, is an all encompassing lived action that has come to define their soul (for want of a better word) and self worth. These people will be dangerous and won't meekly just disappear.
Like you say, the only way I can conceive of changing their course is to show them that it's possible to live better. It's harder to fight against free medical care when you're receiving free medical care. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Trump’s GOP on 13:16 - Aug 20 with 508 views | Guthrum |
| Trump’s GOP on 12:28 - Aug 20 by SpruceMoose |
I admire your optimism Guthers, and for the sake of my friends and family I sincerely would love you to be correct, but having seen these folk at first hand I don't think that a lot of people overseas appreciate how dogmatic these people are.
Expecting them to not be an issue post-Trumo is like expecting Islamic extremists to settle down because Bin Laden is dead.
It's not just a political outlook, is an all encompassing lived action that has come to define their soul (for want of a better word) and self worth. These people will be dangerous and won't meekly just disappear.
Like you say, the only way I can conceive of changing their course is to show them that it's possible to live better. It's harder to fight against free medical care when you're receiving free medical care. |
Sure, but if the driving force towards extremism (particularly the racist, anti-semitic and conspiracy elements) is removed, then those will once again cease to be part of the open Republican mainstream. There will be no need for people to defend/excuse those positions from force of habit or loyalty to the Party.
Taking Momentum as an example. Not many months ago, they were pretty much running the Labour Party and all over the news. Now, after a significant setback, that has almost evaporated. The people still hold their views, the Party is still supposedly aligned broadly in the same direction. But all the drive has gone - and quite quickly. | |
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| Trump’s GOP on 15:43 - Aug 20 with 481 views | SpruceMoose |
| Trump’s GOP on 13:16 - Aug 20 by Guthrum |
Sure, but if the driving force towards extremism (particularly the racist, anti-semitic and conspiracy elements) is removed, then those will once again cease to be part of the open Republican mainstream. There will be no need for people to defend/excuse those positions from force of habit or loyalty to the Party.
Taking Momentum as an example. Not many months ago, they were pretty much running the Labour Party and all over the news. Now, after a significant setback, that has almost evaporated. The people still hold their views, the Party is still supposedly aligned broadly in the same direction. But all the drive has gone - and quite quickly. |
The issue is that standard Republican doctrine isn't all that different from Trump Republicanism. The drive won't go because that drive is the standard operating position.
They want everything he's doing. They want him to hurt the people he's been hurting. They don't object to what he's doing, just how he does it. They just want someone to go about it without the circus that surrounds Trump and draws all this heat.
In many ways they're even more dangerous that the out and proud loons. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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