| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable 23:15 - Nov 7 with 7582 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Martin Luther King quoting his father.
We can all take a lot from that quote can't we? |  |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 19:17 - Nov 9 with 298 views | Darth_Koont |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 18:22 - Nov 9 by CrayonKing |
You're right about pretty much all of that, but in the real world you still need people to vote for you before you can change anything.
Moaning that the voters vote the wrong way doesn't really help much. They clearly do - huge chunks of the population don't even know what the hell they're voting for half the time, but unless you can appeal to enough of them somehow you'll never be in a position to fix that.
Unless you're going to somehow manage a revolution then the only way of gaining power is to get better at elections, and that means appealing to more of the electorate - forming alliances with those darn centrists seems like the logical place to start |
It’s a bit chicken and egg though and ideally both could learn from each other. The left certainly need to get better at getting elected and the centre need to get better at policy and/or realising they’ve been part of the problem.
Because if they’d worked together and there had been a genuine centre-left opposition and government over the past 40 years then I doubt we’d have Scotland wanting to break away, the same regional inequalities, wealth inequalities, systemic racism, inactivity on the climate, blaming the EU and immigrants for everything etc. etc. These things happen when you slide right and leave society to sort itself out.
None of this is happening in a vacuum though and I don’t see any massive support in the media for a center-left coalition. Nor does our FPTP post system encourage it. So the political debate has frequently been about torpedoing that idea and just reacting to a right-wing agenda and some unconscious acceptance of some neoliberal norm. Which is a great shame when objectively we could be learning from our neighbors much more and building a better, happier, fairer and even more productive society. |  |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 19:42 - Nov 9 with 285 views | CrayonKing |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 19:17 - Nov 9 by Darth_Koont |
It’s a bit chicken and egg though and ideally both could learn from each other. The left certainly need to get better at getting elected and the centre need to get better at policy and/or realising they’ve been part of the problem.
Because if they’d worked together and there had been a genuine centre-left opposition and government over the past 40 years then I doubt we’d have Scotland wanting to break away, the same regional inequalities, wealth inequalities, systemic racism, inactivity on the climate, blaming the EU and immigrants for everything etc. etc. These things happen when you slide right and leave society to sort itself out.
None of this is happening in a vacuum though and I don’t see any massive support in the media for a center-left coalition. Nor does our FPTP post system encourage it. So the political debate has frequently been about torpedoing that idea and just reacting to a right-wing agenda and some unconscious acceptance of some neoliberal norm. Which is a great shame when objectively we could be learning from our neighbors much more and building a better, happier, fairer and even more productive society. |
Seems to me that until we get some sort of proportional representation then any party which hopes to gain power needs to be a broad church, i.e. the coalition needs to be within the party itself. That certainly needs the left and centre to stop treating each other as the enemy. |  | | |
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