| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable 23:15 - Nov 7 with 7583 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Martin Luther King quoting his father.
We can all take a lot from that quote can't we? |  |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 12:56 - Nov 8 with 1018 views | GlasgowBlue |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 12:48 - Nov 8 by monytowbray |
The majority of protests across the US were non-violent and have aided throwing a white supremacist out of the WH.
You decided for balance or God knows what reason spreading the propaganda of said White Supremacists was the hill to die on.
I’d probably address that one on a personal level before diving into the moral high ground so quickly. [Post edited 8 Nov 2020 12:50]
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You and I would like to achieve 99.9% of the same things. I’ve advocated the ballot box whereas you advocate direct violent action.
We’ve seen this week that the ballot box works.
Btw. How is the revolution from your parents spare bedroom coming along now? Have you appointed the pet cat as the quartermaster? [Post edited 8 Nov 2020 13:01]
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 12:58 - Nov 8 with 1050 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 09:43 - Nov 8 by lowhouseblue |
we need to stop demonising those we disagree with. |
Shut up antisemite! |  |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:01 - Nov 8 with 1039 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 12:56 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue |
You and I would like to achieve 99.9% of the same things. I’ve advocated the ballot box whereas you advocate direct violent action.
We’ve seen this week that the ballot box works.
Btw. How is the revolution from your parents spare bedroom coming along now? Have you appointed the pet cat as the quartermaster? [Post edited 8 Nov 2020 13:01]
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Interesting addition of the word violent there GB! | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:06 - Nov 8 with 1027 views | monytowbray |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 12:56 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue |
You and I would like to achieve 99.9% of the same things. I’ve advocated the ballot box whereas you advocate direct violent action.
We’ve seen this week that the ballot box works.
Btw. How is the revolution from your parents spare bedroom coming along now? Have you appointed the pet cat as the quartermaster? [Post edited 8 Nov 2020 13:01]
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Good to have you back Glassers but the forum has been largely peaceful for me in your absence.
You called a lot of things wrong this year, I’d perhaps take a moment to reflect on that over projecting.
As for the last line, pretty sure we both know that’s a nonsense and factually incorrect thing to say in regards to my activism but if believing I’m just some kind of keyboard warrior who comments from the sidelines makes you feel better you do that. |  |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:08 - Nov 8 with 1018 views | monytowbray |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:01 - Nov 8 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Interesting addition of the word violent there GB! |
Oh that’s new! And also news to me.
We got rid of one US propagandist yesterday but gained an old football forum one on the same day.
Really one needs to look at what he’s defended this year, how it’s worked out, and maybe issue an apology. I’m not holding my breath. | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:10 - Nov 8 with 973 views | GlasgowBlue |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:08 - Nov 8 by monytowbray |
Oh that’s new! And also news to me.
We got rid of one US propagandist yesterday but gained an old football forum one on the same day.
Really one needs to look at what he’s defended this year, how it’s worked out, and maybe issue an apology. I’m not holding my breath. |
Are you seriously suggesting toy haven’t advocated violent action in order to overthrow governments you object to both here and abroad? | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:12 - Nov 8 with 999 views | monytowbray |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:10 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you seriously suggesting toy haven’t advocated violent action in order to overthrow governments you object to both here and abroad? |
Civil disobedience is not violence. | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:15 - Nov 8 with 952 views | GlasgowBlue |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:12 - Nov 8 by monytowbray |
Civil disobedience is not violence. |
I didn’t say it was. Now have you advocated violent direct against governments you disagree with both in the UK and abroad?
If you haven’t, and you are happy to say you disagree with violent direct action then I’m quite happy to admit I am wrong and apologise. | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:19 - Nov 8 with 980 views | monytowbray |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:15 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue |
I didn’t say it was. Now have you advocated violent direct against governments you disagree with both in the UK and abroad?
If you haven’t, and you are happy to say you disagree with violent direct action then I’m quite happy to admit I am wrong and apologise. |
Well there’s your answer.
The ballot box worked this time but it hasn’t for five years. We got lucky through people power but if we don’t hold politicians to account and look at our flawed democratic systems that are currently in the pockets of a few right wing billionaires and fossil fuel lobbyists then we won’t have a planet to live on soon, let alone a democratic society.
USA got a chance to correct the mess these people made, Brexit sadly will be a hangover of a fascist takeover attempt we’ll be suffering from for decades. | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:21 - Nov 8 with 974 views | Trequartista |
Might be worth making this a sticky. |  |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:23 - Nov 8 with 931 views | GlasgowBlue |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:19 - Nov 8 by monytowbray |
Well there’s your answer.
The ballot box worked this time but it hasn’t for five years. We got lucky through people power but if we don’t hold politicians to account and look at our flawed democratic systems that are currently in the pockets of a few right wing billionaires and fossil fuel lobbyists then we won’t have a planet to live on soon, let alone a democratic society.
USA got a chance to correct the mess these people made, Brexit sadly will be a hangover of a fascist takeover attempt we’ll be suffering from for decades. |
Hey I’m waiting to apologise to you here callis. Do you advocate or have you advocated direct violet action against governments you disagree with, both at home and abroad? | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:23 - Nov 8 with 962 views | Herbivore |
No we don't, dickhead. |  |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:25 - Nov 8 with 950 views | monytowbray |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:23 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Hey I’m waiting to apologise to you here callis. Do you advocate or have you advocated direct violet action against governments you disagree with, both at home and abroad? |
I have no issues with punching Nazis but then again no one should. That’s about it. | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:27 - Nov 8 with 935 views | eireblue |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 12:56 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue |
You and I would like to achieve 99.9% of the same things. I’ve advocated the ballot box whereas you advocate direct violent action.
We’ve seen this week that the ballot box works.
Btw. How is the revolution from your parents spare bedroom coming along now? Have you appointed the pet cat as the quartermaster? [Post edited 8 Nov 2020 13:01]
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Is categorising a person in a non-flattering, non-factual way, okay, and not an example of being disagreeable?
As someone that has advocated for violence, surely all you are really debating is when is it appropriate? |  | | |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:28 - Nov 8 with 904 views | GlasgowBlue |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:25 - Nov 8 by monytowbray |
I have no issues with punching Nazis but then again no one should. That’s about it. |
Are you actually going to say that you didn’t advocate or have never advocated direct violet action against governments you disagree with, both at home and abroad? | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:30 - Nov 8 with 934 views | footers |
Not while there's still plenty of points to play for on Virtual Back Bencher 2020. |  |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:31 - Nov 8 with 930 views | monytowbray |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:28 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you actually going to say that you didn’t advocate or have never advocated direct violet action against governments you disagree with, both at home and abroad? |
Come on Glassers, the games are boring. So I’ll say no and await whatever post you’re sat on with all context removed/shifted to make your point and then we can have a six page row about it.
This game is boring though and has not been missed. As I said, less projection about the hills you’ve chosen to die on this year would be nice. | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:33 - Nov 8 with 914 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:31 - Nov 8 by monytowbray |
Come on Glassers, the games are boring. So I’ll say no and await whatever post you’re sat on with all context removed/shifted to make your point and then we can have a six page row about it.
This game is boring though and has not been missed. As I said, less projection about the hills you’ve chosen to die on this year would be nice. |
It does take two to play it. You could choose not to rise to his bait. | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:35 - Nov 8 with 877 views | GlasgowBlue |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:33 - Nov 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It does take two to play it. You could choose not to rise to his bait. |
The bait was actually his “middle class white boys” post. He knew what he was doing.
I’ll leave him to it. | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:35 - Nov 8 with 899 views | monytowbray |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:33 - Nov 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It does take two to play it. You could choose not to rise to his bait. |
Good point! I don’t really have much to prove, do I? Hindsight has taken care of that! | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:37 - Nov 8 with 898 views | SpruceMoose |
Seems like there is certainly one person on this thread who absolutely needs to learn this.
So glad we are back to this nonsense again. Wanted to give him a chance too. Oh well. Ignore list it is. |  |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:39 - Nov 8 with 880 views | monytowbray |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:35 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue |
The bait was actually his “middle class white boys” post. He knew what he was doing.
I’ll leave him to it. |
I mean, the MCWB thing is now a thing of TWTD folk legend. Not so much a pop at you but an easy and memorable way to summarise the general negative attitudes and right wing slurs aimed at civil rights discussion. You weren’t alone or isolated, it’s just the line that really stood out as memeable.
As I said just now, I have nothing to prove or project. And again, nice to have you back, even if a general public apology in the smear campaign you launched against me on here for being right would be nice, I won’t lose sleep not getting it :) | |
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:43 - Nov 8 with 873 views | CrayonKing |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:21 - Nov 8 by Trequartista |
Might be worth making this a sticky. |
This thread seems to be turning into a good example of how hard it can be to put those words in to action! |  | | |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:46 - Nov 8 with 834 views | GlasgowBlue |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:39 - Nov 8 by monytowbray |
I mean, the MCWB thing is now a thing of TWTD folk legend. Not so much a pop at you but an easy and memorable way to summarise the general negative attitudes and right wing slurs aimed at civil rights discussion. You weren’t alone or isolated, it’s just the line that really stood out as memeable.
As I said just now, I have nothing to prove or project. And again, nice to have you back, even if a general public apology in the smear campaign you launched against me on here for being right would be nice, I won’t lose sleep not getting it :) |
I made the point that a lot of the violence taking place was being caused by middle class white boys and that the community who would suffer most for their actions were the black community. I was 100% behind the black community and fully supported whatever action they felt was appropriate in response to the murder of George Floyd.
Joe made a similar point at the time. I don’t see him getting the same thrown at him whenever he posts. Another poster, it may have been J2 and I apologise to him if it wasn’t, said that he hoped antifa got a good kicking for the trouble they were causing. I don’t see you following him wrong like a lost puppy throwing his words back at him.
Why are we doing this again! I stand by my position and I don’t really think you constantly dragging it up is particularly productive. I could drag up your constant defence of Corbyn over antisemitism but it’s done and we’ve moved on. I suggest you do the same. [Post edited 8 Nov 2020 13:53]
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| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:50 - Nov 8 with 841 views | SpruceMoose |
| We have to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable on 13:43 - Nov 8 by CrayonKing |
This thread seems to be turning into a good example of how hard it can be to put those words in to action! |
Getting back to OP. I completely agree that on matters of policy debate should be polite, considerate and thoughtful.
Where I draw the line at this is when we encounter what we have endured over the last four years. These aren't policy disagreements, these are fundamental moral and ethical fights for survival. Some of things that have been displayed over the last four years such as racist rhetoric, homophobia, Islamophobia, callous environmental destruction are so threatening that they aren't even positions of good faith from which to start debate and treating them as such only serves to normalise them. It's truth vs lies, science vs fiction, love vs hate and people have died by embracing the negative sides of those options.
Maybe I have a harsh view on this currently having just lived through a period where the people in power and their supporters have sought to extinguish anything kind, decent, thoughtful and loving in life. [Post edited 8 Nov 2020 13:53]
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