| Jackson's Red Card ... 12:36 - Feb 2 with 4146 views | El_Fenix |
Having watched replays in slow-motion several times, having read Lambert's harsh condemnation and Jackson's abject apology, and having noted the consensus of opinion on this board, I remain puzzled. Why did Kayden Jackson receive a red (or even a yellow ...) card for his role in the collision that occurred? What have I missed about the situation?
I saw Jackson gain possession of the ball and begin to accelerate down the field. The pitch was wet; and because Jackson is fast and his path was curving, he was experiencing a destabilizing centrifugal force. As the tackle came in from the side, Jackson was balanced on one leg that was not firmly planted, was looking ahead and was trying to control the ball. The impact of the tackle caused him to lose his balance and his legs became tangled with those of the tackler. In my opinion, the hazard to players' safety was caused by the tackler who could have received a yellow card for dangerous play. However, the tackler was also playing at high speed, going for the ball, and not displaying malicious intent. As anyone who has played football knows, football is played at high speed and in real time, not in slow motion by people sitting on their sofas!
I think that the referee panicked. I have some sympathy for him, because a no-call would have caused a huge upset. But what did Jackson do wrong? |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 16:09 - Feb 2 with 605 views | Radlett_blue |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 16:02 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
He got booked, but only once the ref saw that Judge was hurt and the Brentford players made a massive fuss. It really wasn't an especially bad challenge, just unlucky with the way Judge's leg was planted and the way the the challenge impacted. It was a full blooded challenge but not that out of the ordinary. |
If a full blooded but fair challenge can break a player's leg, then I think we have a problem. Hyam's tackle on Judge was fierce; 30 years ago it wouldn't even have resulted in a free kick. I was at PR when Kevin Beattie broke John Ritchie's leg with a fair but full blooded challenge. Ritchie never played again. Now, a challenge like that would be a red card every time.
Times have changed and the game is probably the better for it. |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 16:20 - Feb 2 with 598 views | longtimefan |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 14:36 - Feb 2 by El_Fenix |
Why would you be gutted? Which part(s) of my assessment are wrong? (I'm genuinely interested ...) |
I’d have been gutted because I would have not made the correct call. The challenge met the criteria for serious foul play and hence a red card, mainly through the clause “ A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as serious foul play”. Intent plays no part in that judgement and the contact made by Jackson was dangerous. I don’t believe Jackson was trying to hurt him, or even meaning to make contact, but that’s irrelevant as far as Law 12 is concerned. [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 16:21]
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 17:55 - Feb 2 with 581 views | happybeingblue |
trip to specsavers needed mate :) how or why would you defend it puzzled? what because hes got a town shirt on its acceptable...he made a mistake it happens |  | | |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 17:57 - Feb 2 with 575 views | jayessess |
Jackson 100% deserved the red card. He didn't deserve the manager throwing him under the bus though. |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 18:24 - Feb 2 with 560 views | El_Fenix |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 15:55 - Feb 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
This is the crux of it.
If, as you suggest, Jackson was in control of the ball then the challenge from the defender is a foul through the back of Jackson and that was how I saw it from the initial camera angle in normal time.
When you see it back again, you see that Jackson has overrun the ball and sees the defender coming in. He tries to spin to shield the ball from the defender but, because he is not actually in control of the football, the effect is that he goes over the top of the ball and straight at the defender who is challenging the loose ball. Then when you see it from the referee's angle too you see how bad a challenge it was.
It was the combination of no longer being in possession of the ball and going over the top of the ball and down the defender's leg that made it a red. If he had been in control of the ball, the defender would have gone through Jackson before reaching the ball and would have presumably received at least a yellow card for a challenge from behind. |
That is exactly the type of input I was looking for, thank you. I will go back and look at the replay again through that lens. | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 18:28 - Feb 2 with 554 views | Herbivore |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 16:09 - Feb 2 by Radlett_blue |
If a full blooded but fair challenge can break a player's leg, then I think we have a problem. Hyam's tackle on Judge was fierce; 30 years ago it wouldn't even have resulted in a free kick. I was at PR when Kevin Beattie broke John Ritchie's leg with a fair but full blooded challenge. Ritchie never played again. Now, a challenge like that would be a red card every time.
Times have changed and the game is probably the better for it. |
Hyam's challenge was never a red card. Football is a contact sport and sometimes you're just unlucky. You can't say that a firm challenge is an automatic red card just because someone is unfortunate enough to get injured. |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 18:47 - Feb 2 with 536 views | braveblue |
Reckless and out of control. Red all day long with current criteria. | | | |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 19:18 - Feb 2 with 522 views | jas0999 |
One of the easiest decisions a ref has to make. Clear cut red. Awful challenge. | | | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 19:28 - Feb 2 with 517 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 14:25 - Feb 2 by Ewan_Oozami |
Have watched it a few times:
1. Jackson was not in possession of the ball
2. Jackson knew the defender was there, he actually looks at him
3. When Jackson tries to protect the ball, he has his back to the defender
4. Jackson is stretching to get the ball so he couldn't really control where he would land his foot
Definite red card - personally that wasn't a challenge I'd have gone in for like that, I'd have tried to toe the ball away from the defender, I might well have got the foul, and probably a bruised ankle and the defender may well have seen red for the force of the challenge... |
This is how I saw it but with Jackson thinking he’s going to get hurt so turns his back to protect himself. |  |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 22:12 - Feb 2 with 492 views | Radlett_blue |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 18:28 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
Hyam's challenge was never a red card. Football is a contact sport and sometimes you're just unlucky. You can't say that a firm challenge is an automatic red card just because someone is unfortunate enough to get injured. |
I think nowadays many refs would give a red for Hyam's challenge on Judge. | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 08:14 - Feb 3 with 443 views | Durovigutum |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 12:40 - Feb 2 by Herbivore |
That's an interesting take. I think two other people had a similar take. I don't think Jackson had any intention of hurting the player but he was careless in how he went in to secure the ball and as such, given he ran his studs down the player's shin, it's a reckless challenge. |
It's an interesting take on the use of language. In the English FA guidance for referees a "careless" challenge is a free kick but no caution, a "reckless" challenge adds a yellow card and it is "excessive force" that demands a red - yet all the pundits will talk about a challenge being "reckless" and requiring a red.
Is it any surprise the rule book becomes a mess of interpretation? |  | | |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 08:18 - Feb 3 with 440 views | Herbivore |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 08:14 - Feb 3 by Durovigutum |
It's an interesting take on the use of language. In the English FA guidance for referees a "careless" challenge is a free kick but no caution, a "reckless" challenge adds a yellow card and it is "excessive force" that demands a red - yet all the pundits will talk about a challenge being "reckless" and requiring a red.
Is it any surprise the rule book becomes a mess of interpretation? |
Isn't there also a bit about endangering the opponent? Does that relate to red or yellow cards? I agree that it's not exactly clear and the majority of yellow cards are for challenges I'd call careless rather than reckless. | |
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 09:15 - Feb 3 with 429 views | longtimefan |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 08:14 - Feb 3 by Durovigutum |
It's an interesting take on the use of language. In the English FA guidance for referees a "careless" challenge is a free kick but no caution, a "reckless" challenge adds a yellow card and it is "excessive force" that demands a red - yet all the pundits will talk about a challenge being "reckless" and requiring a red.
Is it any surprise the rule book becomes a mess of interpretation? |
The careless/reckless distinction is set in law. The lack of correct interpretation is mainly due to commentators and ex-player co-commentators not actually knowing the laws of the game that they get their employment from. How many times have you heard the comment “Oh that’s reckless, definitely a red card”? [Post edited 3 Feb 2021 12:15]
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| Jackson's Red Card ... on 09:18 - Feb 3 with 425 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Jackson's Red Card ... on 18:24 - Feb 2 by El_Fenix |
That is exactly the type of input I was looking for, thank you. I will go back and look at the replay again through that lens. |
That's exactly what I said... |  |
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