| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC 13:26 - Feb 17 with 3066 views | Illinoisblue |
What other similar sized clubs have a good structure? What is missing at ITFC? Who can we take inspiration from to make it right? |  |
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| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 16:13 - Feb 17 with 766 views | Griller |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 13:37 - Feb 17 by DanTheMan |
Sorry, couldn't help myself!
You're right, I have no idea. The only thing I can say for certain is that when I last knew about their scouting, it wasn't at all comparable to other "modern" clubs, but I would have thought it had at least moved on slightly since then.
It wasn't for the reasons others thought like that we did no overseas scouting, it was all just a bit old school. |
I can help with the question of scouting. At Norwich there are no scouts operating in the old-style sense of visiting random games in the hope of unearthing talent. There is a professional team of analysts at Carrow Road who study the stats of players in the UK, Europe and across the world. They monitor individual performances which include work rate, pass rate, tackles made, balls headed and all that sort thing. Data of this type is available in the form of tables so any particular area of efficiency will stand out like a sore thumb. Emi Buendia, for example, was a player targeted initially by his impressive stats week in and week out in Spain. The last thing that Norwich did before signing him was have him watched - they already knew all about him. |  | | |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 16:28 - Feb 17 with 744 views | captainfantastic |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 16:13 - Feb 17 by Griller |
I can help with the question of scouting. At Norwich there are no scouts operating in the old-style sense of visiting random games in the hope of unearthing talent. There is a professional team of analysts at Carrow Road who study the stats of players in the UK, Europe and across the world. They monitor individual performances which include work rate, pass rate, tackles made, balls headed and all that sort thing. Data of this type is available in the form of tables so any particular area of efficiency will stand out like a sore thumb. Emi Buendia, for example, was a player targeted initially by his impressive stats week in and week out in Spain. The last thing that Norwich did before signing him was have him watched - they already knew all about him. |
Exactly,
They will be monitoring every stat under the sun, for players across Europe. By doing this you can pinpoint the outliers, and then hone in on them and check their stats weigh up with the traditional eye test.
The tough part is being able to interpret the stats well, accounting for factors such as making the standard of the league relative to each other, and factoring how good the team they playing in in the league and adjusting for that.
For example, a striker who plays in French Ligue 1 (a league where there are less goals on average per game than across Europe) and is in a team not generating many chances, may be overlooked by traditional scouting not because he is no good but because the obvious statistics are no good, not through his own fault. You'll notice that most of Brentford's forward signings are from the French leagues for this reason, the forwards in these leagues are undervalued by the market because the market is not in tune with advanced data analytics. |  |
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| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 17:23 - Feb 17 with 720 views | PhilTWTD |
I think one of the big issues at Town is a chief exec who is allowed to run the club. Marcus doesn't want to cede control to someone else and allow them to run the club as it's his money.
He moved Derek Bowden on, who was very good at running things, and brought in Simon Clegg, who was there as an adiminstrator and no more than that, the decisions were ultimately made by Marcus. Similar with Ian Milne.
Lee's role should be taking charge of football across the club, not getting involved in the off-field stuff that he has but there's currently no other figurehead at the club. He's having to find his feet in tough circumstances and having to do stuff which isn't part of his job.
PL seems to want to replicate the structure at Dortmund or Celtic, which is unrealistic at a club in League One. During a tough spell under the previous regime, I can remember Derek Bowden telling me that he wouldn't have a job in League One given the way costs would have to be cut.
Of course, PL has been aware of the situation for two and a half years and took the job on the basis of that being the case and that it was unlikely to change in League One, particularly in a pandemic. While there may be something in what he says, it's just flailing and obfuscation and trying to point fingers elsewhere rather than taking responsibility for the situation.
Regardless of any of the issues he cites, this squad should be much better than 11th in League One. |  | | |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 17:56 - Feb 17 with 671 views | nodge_blue |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 17:23 - Feb 17 by PhilTWTD |
I think one of the big issues at Town is a chief exec who is allowed to run the club. Marcus doesn't want to cede control to someone else and allow them to run the club as it's his money.
He moved Derek Bowden on, who was very good at running things, and brought in Simon Clegg, who was there as an adiminstrator and no more than that, the decisions were ultimately made by Marcus. Similar with Ian Milne.
Lee's role should be taking charge of football across the club, not getting involved in the off-field stuff that he has but there's currently no other figurehead at the club. He's having to find his feet in tough circumstances and having to do stuff which isn't part of his job.
PL seems to want to replicate the structure at Dortmund or Celtic, which is unrealistic at a club in League One. During a tough spell under the previous regime, I can remember Derek Bowden telling me that he wouldn't have a job in League One given the way costs would have to be cut.
Of course, PL has been aware of the situation for two and a half years and took the job on the basis of that being the case and that it was unlikely to change in League One, particularly in a pandemic. While there may be something in what he says, it's just flailing and obfuscation and trying to point fingers elsewhere rather than taking responsibility for the situation.
Regardless of any of the issues he cites, this squad should be much better than 11th in League One. |
Thats interesting to read your take on the whole structure thing that Lambert was talking about.
Someone ultimately has to make decisions. I don't see why it matters if its Marcus or a chief exec below him. But they have to be good decisions. It seems to me that Marcus simply isn't a good enough judge of football to be making those decisions.
Totally agree with your last two paragraphs.
Surely something has to happen this week? Either they sack him or put out some sort of statement clarifying how we go forward? |  |
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| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 18:00 - Feb 17 with 666 views | PhilTWTD |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 17:56 - Feb 17 by nodge_blue |
Thats interesting to read your take on the whole structure thing that Lambert was talking about.
Someone ultimately has to make decisions. I don't see why it matters if its Marcus or a chief exec below him. But they have to be good decisions. It seems to me that Marcus simply isn't a good enough judge of football to be making those decisions.
Totally agree with your last two paragraphs.
Surely something has to happen this week? Either they sack him or put out some sort of statement clarifying how we go forward? |
I doubt there'll be a statement backing the manager or anything like that, I think we're in the final knockings now and everyone knows it. | | | |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 18:04 - Feb 17 with 650 views | nodge_blue |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 18:00 - Feb 17 by PhilTWTD |
I doubt there'll be a statement backing the manager or anything like that, I think we're in the final knockings now and everyone knows it. |
Ive had my doubts today. Wondering if the contract is too much for Evans to want to bale out on top of him presumably trying to keep his other businesses afloat in the pandemic.
Surely you'd sack him today and at least put Dyer in temporary charge or something like that?
Lambert has been on the national radio in the meantime dropping in more excuses and starting to point the finger at Evans. I just don't get why Evans hasn't acted today. | |
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| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 18:18 - Feb 17 with 626 views | PhilTWTD |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 18:04 - Feb 17 by nodge_blue |
Ive had my doubts today. Wondering if the contract is too much for Evans to want to bale out on top of him presumably trying to keep his other businesses afloat in the pandemic.
Surely you'd sack him today and at least put Dyer in temporary charge or something like that?
Lambert has been on the national radio in the meantime dropping in more excuses and starting to point the finger at Evans. I just don't get why Evans hasn't acted today. |
I assume he'll want a new manager sorted before he sacks him. I do think he knows he'll have to bite the bullet and pay him off before very much longer. | | | |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 18:28 - Feb 17 with 585 views | jas0999 |
The club is in a sorry mess and Evans is to blame. Years and years of no communication, failing to invest in the playing squad (at the levels required) at key moments. Incompetent at appointing managers and worse, backing them for longer than necessary. Lambert would have been sacked at most clubs by now.
So, the structure is wrong - starting with Evans. |  | | |
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| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 18:43 - Feb 17 with 567 views | haynes_toe1 |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 15:17 - Feb 17 by Illinoisblue |
We should be looking at similar sized clubs that haven’t been propped up by parachute payments |
Why should we? They only benefit from parachute payments by getting promoted in the first place! | | | |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 18:45 - Feb 17 with 561 views | Kieran_Knows |
Brentford.
Norwich.
Huddersfield (under Wagner). |  |
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| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 19:16 - Feb 17 with 526 views | gringoblue |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 17:23 - Feb 17 by PhilTWTD |
I think one of the big issues at Town is a chief exec who is allowed to run the club. Marcus doesn't want to cede control to someone else and allow them to run the club as it's his money.
He moved Derek Bowden on, who was very good at running things, and brought in Simon Clegg, who was there as an adiminstrator and no more than that, the decisions were ultimately made by Marcus. Similar with Ian Milne.
Lee's role should be taking charge of football across the club, not getting involved in the off-field stuff that he has but there's currently no other figurehead at the club. He's having to find his feet in tough circumstances and having to do stuff which isn't part of his job.
PL seems to want to replicate the structure at Dortmund or Celtic, which is unrealistic at a club in League One. During a tough spell under the previous regime, I can remember Derek Bowden telling me that he wouldn't have a job in League One given the way costs would have to be cut.
Of course, PL has been aware of the situation for two and a half years and took the job on the basis of that being the case and that it was unlikely to change in League One, particularly in a pandemic. While there may be something in what he says, it's just flailing and obfuscation and trying to point fingers elsewhere rather than taking responsibility for the situation.
Regardless of any of the issues he cites, this squad should be much better than 11th in League One. |
I'd forgotten he got rid of Derek Bowden. Possibly his biggest long-term mistake? It looks like that was Essex CCC's gain! |  | | |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 19:53 - Feb 17 with 503 views | brushhand |
| Lots of talk of the structure not being right at ITFC on 13:34 - Feb 17 by Illinoisblue |
Right but go beyond that. Is it scouting? Facilities? Overuse of loans? Disconnect between youths and 1st team? How in the name of the lord Jesus Christ do we make football so facking complicated? |
brentford employ a version of moneyball, scouting a underperforming player, in a position, hope to get him cheap and train him on.
meant to be cheaper than running a youth team.
plus sold players for significant profits. watkins to villa 28 million.
we need to upgrade our scouting and our youth player evaluation.
pope , marriott, being released, not impressive really. | | | |
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