| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off 11:14 - May 20 with 2479 views | Herbivore |
Wilder is enforcing his rematch clause and an arbitrator has upheld that Fury has to fight him next. Interestingly despite Team Fury's proclamations of the AJ fight being done, they already had a venue booked for July for a third fight with Wilder. Seems they've not really been negotiating in good faith, and that also tallies with them basically letting Eddie Hearn do all the leg work to make the fight happen. Not sure Fury and his team want the fight as much as they claim to. |  |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 23:20 - May 20 with 618 views | footers |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 23:00 - May 20 by Herbivore |
Which opportunities has he dodged? That's a hot take. |
Easy route as well, wtf?
He's fought pretty much every top 10-15 in the weight for five, six year minimum. He has had zero filler fights.
Fury's return I can appreciate in terms of opponents, but AJ has fought everyone and anyone. He's certainly not fought Sefer Seferi. |  |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 23:28 - May 20 with 604 views | Herbivore |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 23:20 - May 20 by footers |
Easy route as well, wtf?
He's fought pretty much every top 10-15 in the weight for five, six year minimum. He has had zero filler fights.
Fury's return I can appreciate in terms of opponents, but AJ has fought everyone and anyone. He's certainly not fought Sefer Seferi. |
Indeed. AJ has been consistently fighting top 10 guys for ages. Fury's career has been disrupted by his struggles with his mental health, but after Wilder and Wlad, you're looking at Chisora as his next best opponent. It's a very odd take to suggest that AJ has taken an easy route or avoided anyone. | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 00:31 - May 21 with 577 views | Barneycurley |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 23:28 - May 20 by Herbivore |
Indeed. AJ has been consistently fighting top 10 guys for ages. Fury's career has been disrupted by his struggles with his mental health, but after Wilder and Wlad, you're looking at Chisora as his next best opponent. It's a very odd take to suggest that AJ has taken an easy route or avoided anyone. |
I probably didn't word it correctly. I mean he's not been up against anything of their calibre or guile.
Also you've ignored the second part... he won't cope with Fury, he is too clever for AJ. If ever there was a flat track bully it's him. The Ruiz fight I mean come on. He was atrocious despite listening to the excuses he supposedly had. |  |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:27 - May 21 with 531 views | Herbivore |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 00:31 - May 21 by Barneycurley |
I probably didn't word it correctly. I mean he's not been up against anything of their calibre or guile.
Also you've ignored the second part... he won't cope with Fury, he is too clever for AJ. If ever there was a flat track bully it's him. The Ruiz fight I mean come on. He was atrocious despite listening to the excuses he supposedly had. |
Not been up against anyone of Wlad's calibre? Except when he fought Wlad, I guess. To be honest, AJ has fought 2 or 3 fighters that I'd give at least a 50/50 chance of beating Wilder. Wilder really isn't very good, aside from a big right hand he has nothing.
We'll see what happens come fight night, if Fury actually takes the fight. | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:32 - May 21 with 523 views | Barneycurley |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:27 - May 21 by Herbivore |
Not been up against anyone of Wlad's calibre? Except when he fought Wlad, I guess. To be honest, AJ has fought 2 or 3 fighters that I'd give at least a 50/50 chance of beating Wilder. Wilder really isn't very good, aside from a big right hand he has nothing.
We'll see what happens come fight night, if Fury actually takes the fight. |
I still don't see the logic in why Fury doesn't want to fight him. He's doing a very convincing job telling everyone it's what he wants.
Guess he must be showboating. Either way utterly convinced he'll beat AJ.
Vlad was 44 ffs! | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:36 - May 21 with 524 views | footers |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:27 - May 21 by Herbivore |
Not been up against anyone of Wlad's calibre? Except when he fought Wlad, I guess. To be honest, AJ has fought 2 or 3 fighters that I'd give at least a 50/50 chance of beating Wilder. Wilder really isn't very good, aside from a big right hand he has nothing.
We'll see what happens come fight night, if Fury actually takes the fight. |
This is why I really can't be fecked with the trilogy fight, and it's very disappointing to me that it's Fury's team who seem to be causing the most issues. Wilder is simply not a boxer - he's a circus act. Unless he's learnt how to box in the space of a year it's a pointless fight.
I'd like to see Ruiz Wilder tbh. I think that would be a great match up and be good to see Ruiz back at it again. Can't stand Wilder's nonsense and hope he gets sparked whoever fights him! | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:40 - May 21 with 522 views | Herbivore |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:32 - May 21 by Barneycurley |
I still don't see the logic in why Fury doesn't want to fight him. He's doing a very convincing job telling everyone it's what he wants.
Guess he must be showboating. Either way utterly convinced he'll beat AJ.
Vlad was 44 ffs! |
And he was 42 or 43 when Fury fought him. He fought AJ in literally his next fight after Fury beat him. There was nothing to suggest he'd suddenly got loads worse between those two fights. In fact he and his camp have said he was in better shape physically and mentally for the AJ fight than for the Fury fight. You're really performing some mental gymnastics here.
Good for you for being convinced he wants the fight and that he'll win it. We'll have to wait and see which of us is correct on both counts. He seems very keen on the Wilder rematch all of a sudden having been making noises for weeks about pulling out of negotiations for the AJ fight. He also has form for ducking opponents (unlike AJ, ironically). | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:42 - May 21 with 517 views | Barneycurley |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:36 - May 21 by footers |
This is why I really can't be fecked with the trilogy fight, and it's very disappointing to me that it's Fury's team who seem to be causing the most issues. Wilder is simply not a boxer - he's a circus act. Unless he's learnt how to box in the space of a year it's a pointless fight.
I'd like to see Ruiz Wilder tbh. I think that would be a great match up and be good to see Ruiz back at it again. Can't stand Wilder's nonsense and hope he gets sparked whoever fights him! |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:46 - May 21 with 512 views | Barneycurley |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:40 - May 21 by Herbivore |
And he was 42 or 43 when Fury fought him. He fought AJ in literally his next fight after Fury beat him. There was nothing to suggest he'd suddenly got loads worse between those two fights. In fact he and his camp have said he was in better shape physically and mentally for the AJ fight than for the Fury fight. You're really performing some mental gymnastics here.
Good for you for being convinced he wants the fight and that he'll win it. We'll have to wait and see which of us is correct on both counts. He seems very keen on the Wilder rematch all of a sudden having been making noises for weeks about pulling out of negotiations for the AJ fight. He also has form for ducking opponents (unlike AJ, ironically). |
Hes also travelled to get fights and yes as you've mentioned he's had too. He won both fights against Wilder.
Hes shown plenty to show he won't duck the AJ fight.
Either way if he lost hes got another Wilder fight somewhere down the line (possibly if AJ ends up fighting Wilder which again probably won't happen)
I also get the vibe the money is not the determining factor that motivates Fury. | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:52 - May 21 with 507 views | Herbivore |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:46 - May 21 by Barneycurley |
Hes also travelled to get fights and yes as you've mentioned he's had too. He won both fights against Wilder.
Hes shown plenty to show he won't duck the AJ fight.
Either way if he lost hes got another Wilder fight somewhere down the line (possibly if AJ ends up fighting Wilder which again probably won't happen)
I also get the vibe the money is not the determining factor that motivates Fury. |
Okay mate. | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 08:14 - May 21 with 499 views | Chrisd |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:46 - May 21 by Barneycurley |
Hes also travelled to get fights and yes as you've mentioned he's had too. He won both fights against Wilder.
Hes shown plenty to show he won't duck the AJ fight.
Either way if he lost hes got another Wilder fight somewhere down the line (possibly if AJ ends up fighting Wilder which again probably won't happen)
I also get the vibe the money is not the determining factor that motivates Fury. |
Logic suggests Fury probably would win the encounter against AJ, there's no doubting he is a very a good boxer, a freak for someone of his size to have so many skills. I get the impression he'd toy with AJ and box him out of the contest. Nevertheless, boxing isn't always based solely on logic, AJ has the power and is a shrewder operator than Wilder with far more skills, certainly feel he could do some damage if he can work him from the inside and target Fury's body. He'll need to be tactically on top of his game, but this is what makes it such a must see fight. Both fighters are the best in the division currently, we all want to see who is the real No.1. The time for talking is over, the pair of them need to get in the ring and get this sorted once and for all for all boxing purists to put this topic to bed. [Post edited 21 May 2021 8:40]
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 08:35 - May 21 with 487 views | IpswichKnight |
Fury is a shrewd operator he likes to get under your skin and annoy the deck out of you from day 1. He’s also a far better boxer than many give him credit for, he’s incredibly nimble on his feet for his size and has amazingly good reflexes. However he can be hit and he can be put down, on both visits to the canvas he’s been on the receiving end of slightly slow counts ( he got caught by a puffed up Cruiserweight earlier in his career and then Wilder caught him ).
AJ is improving as a boxer and doesn’t take as many risks as he did in earlier fights he reminds me a lot of Lennox Lewis in if he trains properly you can’t see him losing he has that Lewis ability to sense when he’s hurt the opponent and now is the time to finish it.
Currently I’d go with Fury by points. | | | |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 08:46 - May 21 with 472 views | hype313 |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 07:46 - May 21 by Barneycurley |
Hes also travelled to get fights and yes as you've mentioned he's had too. He won both fights against Wilder.
Hes shown plenty to show he won't duck the AJ fight.
Either way if he lost hes got another Wilder fight somewhere down the line (possibly if AJ ends up fighting Wilder which again probably won't happen)
I also get the vibe the money is not the determining factor that motivates Fury. |
How I see it - Wilder can't sell PPV in the States which is why Fury has been over there doing WWE stuff etc, I think the Fury camp knew that they were legally obliged to fight Wilder again and this is why Hearn has done all the leg work in trying to get this fight, just as it was signed after all the hype, this arbitration suddenly appears, it's as if the Wilder/Fury camp were trying to jump on a bandwagon... |  |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 08:56 - May 21 with 464 views | Herbivore |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 08:46 - May 21 by hype313 |
How I see it - Wilder can't sell PPV in the States which is why Fury has been over there doing WWE stuff etc, I think the Fury camp knew that they were legally obliged to fight Wilder again and this is why Hearn has done all the leg work in trying to get this fight, just as it was signed after all the hype, this arbitration suddenly appears, it's as if the Wilder/Fury camp were trying to jump on a bandwagon... |
I think there's something in that. The fact it transpires they'd already got a date and venue lined up for a third fight with Wilder suggests that the negotiations with AJ weren't taking place in good faith. | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:01 - May 21 with 459 views | BiGDonnie |
Fury don't want it. He'll never fight AJ. |  |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:03 - May 21 with 453 views | BloomBlue |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 08:46 - May 21 by hype313 |
How I see it - Wilder can't sell PPV in the States which is why Fury has been over there doing WWE stuff etc, I think the Fury camp knew that they were legally obliged to fight Wilder again and this is why Hearn has done all the leg work in trying to get this fight, just as it was signed after all the hype, this arbitration suddenly appears, it's as if the Wilder/Fury camp were trying to jump on a bandwagon... |
I don't understand why Fury's camp even agreed to the 3rd fight originally, they had the rematch which I assume was agreed when the first fight was arranged as that's standard practice but contracting in the 3rd seems crazy. |  | | |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:04 - May 21 with 455 views | hype313 |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:01 - May 21 by BiGDonnie |
Fury don't want it. He'll never fight AJ. |
If Fury wants to go down as one of the greats then he has no choice but to face AJ, he talks about being a Spartan and not interested in belts or money, if he doesn't then his legacy will be questioned for the rest of his life. | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:07 - May 21 with 444 views | BiGDonnie |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:04 - May 21 by hype313 |
If Fury wants to go down as one of the greats then he has no choice but to face AJ, he talks about being a Spartan and not interested in belts or money, if he doesn't then his legacy will be questioned for the rest of his life. |
100%.
AJ beats Fury 9/10 in my eyes. Been loving AJ's online presence last couple of days. | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:11 - May 21 with 440 views | footers |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:01 - May 21 by BiGDonnie |
Fury don't want it. He'll never fight AJ. |
He's just milking it for the dough, isn't he? I don't doubt for one second that he wants the fight, he's just being difficult to make as much coin as possible. Another fight with Wilder should see him all right for a few mill in the meantime anyway!
Same happened with BJS saying he'd fight for no money in a phonebox and all that before the flouncy shenanigans ahead of Canelo.
Bit annoying but can't blame either of them for trying to get the max purse for such big fights.
Or maybe my man crush on Fury as a boxer is blinding me a bit! | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:24 - May 21 with 429 views | Barneycurley |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:11 - May 21 by footers |
He's just milking it for the dough, isn't he? I don't doubt for one second that he wants the fight, he's just being difficult to make as much coin as possible. Another fight with Wilder should see him all right for a few mill in the meantime anyway!
Same happened with BJS saying he'd fight for no money in a phonebox and all that before the flouncy shenanigans ahead of Canelo.
Bit annoying but can't blame either of them for trying to get the max purse for such big fights.
Or maybe my man crush on Fury as a boxer is blinding me a bit! |
Really? I just don't see it. He's a poor man's LL for sure.
But happy to be proved wrong | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:28 - May 21 with 426 views | Herbivore |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:11 - May 21 by footers |
He's just milking it for the dough, isn't he? I don't doubt for one second that he wants the fight, he's just being difficult to make as much coin as possible. Another fight with Wilder should see him all right for a few mill in the meantime anyway!
Same happened with BJS saying he'd fight for no money in a phonebox and all that before the flouncy shenanigans ahead of Canelo.
Bit annoying but can't blame either of them for trying to get the max purse for such big fights.
Or maybe my man crush on Fury as a boxer is blinding me a bit! |
I think it might be blinding you a bit. Fury has form for being difficult and indeed for even outright avoiding fights. This all looks very dodgy from Fury's side. The fact they're readily accepting the Wilder fight and even had a venue booked whilst simultaneously claiming to be want to fight AJ is a bad look. | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:29 - May 21 with 425 views | BiGDonnie |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:11 - May 21 by footers |
He's just milking it for the dough, isn't he? I don't doubt for one second that he wants the fight, he's just being difficult to make as much coin as possible. Another fight with Wilder should see him all right for a few mill in the meantime anyway!
Same happened with BJS saying he'd fight for no money in a phonebox and all that before the flouncy shenanigans ahead of Canelo.
Bit annoying but can't blame either of them for trying to get the max purse for such big fights.
Or maybe my man crush on Fury as a boxer is blinding me a bit! |
According to him the money doesn't matter. I just think he's lied to everyone about the whole situation which doesn't look good at all.
It may all just be a big scam by the lot of em to build up even more excitement around the fight, I just don't see it that way though. Tyson don't want it with AJ and will do whatever it takes to avoid him.
In my opinion of course! | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:32 - May 21 with 422 views | BiGDonnie |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:28 - May 21 by Herbivore |
I think it might be blinding you a bit. Fury has form for being difficult and indeed for even outright avoiding fights. This all looks very dodgy from Fury's side. The fact they're readily accepting the Wilder fight and even had a venue booked whilst simultaneously claiming to be want to fight AJ is a bad look. |
Yup, this!
He's made himself look right silly - AJ's absolutely owned him online this week. | |
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| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 10:09 - May 21 with 404 views | Radlett_blue |
| AJ v Fury - looks like it's off on 09:11 - May 21 by footers |
He's just milking it for the dough, isn't he? I don't doubt for one second that he wants the fight, he's just being difficult to make as much coin as possible. Another fight with Wilder should see him all right for a few mill in the meantime anyway!
Same happened with BJS saying he'd fight for no money in a phonebox and all that before the flouncy shenanigans ahead of Canelo.
Bit annoying but can't blame either of them for trying to get the max purse for such big fights.
Or maybe my man crush on Fury as a boxer is blinding me a bit! |
bit of a risk though, isn't it? Fury could lose to Wilder, or Joshua could lose to Usyk, which would massively devalue Joshua-Fury. The likelihood must be that Wilder is paid a large sum to forgo the rematch with Fury (the refusal to do so is a negotiation tactic) plus given a guarantee of fighting the winner.
This type of thing always happens with the absurd growth of governing bodies, but this isn't going to happen as a it means that far for bouts are for a "World Championship", however devalued. |  |
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