| Brexit summary on 15:11 - Sep 5 with 345 views | DanTheMan |
Yes, they seem more relevant. |  |
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| Brexit summary on 15:37 - Sep 5 with 320 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Brexit summary on 15:11 - Sep 5 by DanTheMan |
Yes, they seem more relevant. |
Ah, so there is a Mail article claiming there is a shortage in some other European countries.
Not sure that is the same as suggesting they are suffering anything like the same problems we are. In fact, as Baza suggested, a quick search shows they aren't. Hence why he couldn't post any link. |  |
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| Brexit summary on 15:39 - Sep 5 with 318 views | Swansea_Blue |
Quite. As that article points out, Germany and other EU countries have extra flexibility in labour supply and have been able to partially offset domestic driver shortages. We can’t (edit - we can’t under our current government’s anti-foreigner policy). Things would be bad enough with just the underlying industry shortages and Covid. Throw in the 30,000 ‘lost’ overseas drivers since we left the EU and it’s the perfect storm that’s worse than it needed to have been.
It’s not a difficult issue to understand, so I’m not sure why we’re seeing primary school level ‘debating’ on this car crash of a thread. [Post edited 5 Sep 2021 15:46]
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| Brexit summary on 15:53 - Sep 5 with 307 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Brexit summary on 15:39 - Sep 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Quite. As that article points out, Germany and other EU countries have extra flexibility in labour supply and have been able to partially offset domestic driver shortages. We can’t (edit - we can’t under our current government’s anti-foreigner policy). Things would be bad enough with just the underlying industry shortages and Covid. Throw in the 30,000 ‘lost’ overseas drivers since we left the EU and it’s the perfect storm that’s worse than it needed to have been.
It’s not a difficult issue to understand, so I’m not sure why we’re seeing primary school level ‘debating’ on this car crash of a thread. [Post edited 5 Sep 2021 15:46]
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"I could post a link but why don't you look and find it for yourself? ... It's out there somewhere."
"Here it is, here's an article from 2018 that doesn't show what I am stretching for at all."
"OK, try this Mail article that has the right headline."
It is not really convincing. | |
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| Brexit summary on 15:54 - Sep 5 with 304 views | BlueBadger |
| Brexit summary on 14:17 - Sep 5 by chicoazul |
Cumming says that any attempt to rejoin would be immediately sabotaged by Grayling Lineker and the FBPE crowd and on this evidence, he’s exactly right. There were already some 60000 driver vacancies according to the RHA, and another 25000 odd didn’t get to take their tests and join in the last 18 months as they would do normally. The drivers lost due to Brexit and Covid are reckoned to be about 16000. Pubs have beer. Shops have fruit. Hyperbole like this does nothing but harden people against a return position. |
Imagine being so thick that you think people telling you 'yeah, sh1t's worse now because of it' makes you double down on it. |  |
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| Brexit summary on 16:15 - Sep 5 with 285 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit summary on 15:53 - Sep 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"I could post a link but why don't you look and find it for yourself? ... It's out there somewhere."
"Here it is, here's an article from 2018 that doesn't show what I am stretching for at all."
"OK, try this Mail article that has the right headline."
It is not really convincing. |
It's all the polarisation too. People seem incapable of understanding there's a range of factors at play. It's just an extension of the tribalism we've seen since people were divided on the issue during the referendum campaign. Once the impacts started to bite I thought people might be more open to a sensible discussion, but we're no closer to that at all. If anything things are getting worse as some people aren't even prepared to acknowledge the impacts.
The pro-EU sorts on the likes of Twitter don't help either, as they seem overly ready to blame everything at the door of Brexit, whereas it's only one of the things wrong with this country right now. | |
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