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Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid 23:05 - Nov 24 with 1122 viewsStokieBlue

Very early days so certainly nothing to panic about but there has been a new variant of covid sequenced which has a very large number of mutations on the spike protein (32) and seems to have originated in Botswana.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/24/scientists-warn-of-new-covid-varia

Only 10 recognised cases so far so clearly nothing to worry about but it does highlight that mutations can and will occur going forward. Having such a large number of mutations on the spike protein could mean that antibodies don't recognise it as covid and don't attack it. Hopefully it will be far less infectious than Delta and thus will not gain any traction (at the moment that is unknown).

It's speculated that such a huge burst of mutations likely happened in a chronic infection in a patient with a weak immune system (such as someone with untreated HIV) because it's unlikely to happen in someone with a well functioning immune system.

It does serve to highlight why we need to be funding vaccines doses for the developing world and countries which cannot afford them because these could be the areas where patients like the one described above exist and where "bursts" of mutations like those in this variant can happen.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem like the richer nations are really behind the Covax program as fully as they could be.

SB

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Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:05 - Nov 25 with 826 viewstw25

You really must of lumped on big with the pharma companies.
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Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:11 - Nov 25 with 789 viewsStokieBlue

Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:05 - Nov 25 by tw25

You really must of lumped on big with the pharma companies.
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Alternatively, I'm interested in science and expanding my knowledge. I know there are some complicated words and concepts in the article so feel free to ask if you need anything explaining, don't be shy.

My life is great thanks. Interesting that you've never posted about football or Ipswich isn't it?

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Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:18 - Nov 25 with 758 viewsnoggin

Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:05 - Nov 25 by tw25

You really must of lumped on big with the pharma companies.
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Idiot.

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Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:24 - Nov 25 with 743 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Read this last night too and my first thought was that we seem more focused on boosters....and then another.....and then another.....rather than thinking globally. We can't manage it for climate and certainly won't for vaccines. Call me a cynic!

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Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:34 - Nov 25 with 719 viewsdickie

Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:24 - Nov 25 by BanksterDebtSlave

Read this last night too and my first thought was that we seem more focused on boosters....and then another.....and then another.....rather than thinking globally. We can't manage it for climate and certainly won't for vaccines. Call me a cynic!


I've called this from the start (since the new variants were announced anyway). The only way to properly get through this pandemic is to vaccinate EVERYBODY, worldwide but countries only think about their own population and own economies.
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Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:39 - Nov 25 with 697 viewsStokieBlue

Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:24 - Nov 25 by BanksterDebtSlave

Read this last night too and my first thought was that we seem more focused on boosters....and then another.....and then another.....rather than thinking globally. We can't manage it for climate and certainly won't for vaccines. Call me a cynic!


Unfortunately I think you're right. The WHO pushed for vaccinating other countries before boosters but it's also understandable that countries wish to protect their own population from covid. There are competing domestic and international issues at work there.

Hopefully the second generation of vaccines will address the issue of waning immunity and then the richer countries can properly focus on getting the rest of the world vaccinated.

It's possible that a variant like this which could be antibody evading and that is also highly infectious (which we don't know at the moment) might shock the richer countries into action but by then it could be too late to stop another bad wave.

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Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:50 - Nov 25 with 660 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:39 - Nov 25 by StokieBlue

Unfortunately I think you're right. The WHO pushed for vaccinating other countries before boosters but it's also understandable that countries wish to protect their own population from covid. There are competing domestic and international issues at work there.

Hopefully the second generation of vaccines will address the issue of waning immunity and then the richer countries can properly focus on getting the rest of the world vaccinated.

It's possible that a variant like this which could be antibody evading and that is also highly infectious (which we don't know at the moment) might shock the richer countries into action but by then it could be too late to stop another bad wave.

SB


Unfortunately I think you are right too !

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Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:57 - Nov 25 with 646 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:39 - Nov 25 by StokieBlue

Unfortunately I think you're right. The WHO pushed for vaccinating other countries before boosters but it's also understandable that countries wish to protect their own population from covid. There are competing domestic and international issues at work there.

Hopefully the second generation of vaccines will address the issue of waning immunity and then the richer countries can properly focus on getting the rest of the world vaccinated.

It's possible that a variant like this which could be antibody evading and that is also highly infectious (which we don't know at the moment) might shock the richer countries into action but by then it could be too late to stop another bad wave.

SB


I only just got to watching part 4 of this last night on the rise of 'individualism' over the collective which is kind of relevant. At the 58 minute mark it touches on the EU, technocrats and government serving the vested interests over their populations which was a bonus!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p093wz8v/cant-get-you-out-of-my-head-serie

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Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 08:25 - Nov 25 with 565 viewshomer_123

Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:05 - Nov 25 by tw25

You really must of lumped on big with the pharma companies.
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Wow, really?

What on earth is there to object to in regards to SBs post or wider posts for that matter. Someone who is read up on the subject matter and shares said information (with references) in an unbiased and unfettered way.

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Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 08:26 - Nov 25 with 563 viewshomer_123

Cheers SB - missed this.

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Why we need to vaccinate the world against covid on 07:34 - Nov 25 by dickie

I've called this from the start (since the new variants were announced anyway). The only way to properly get through this pandemic is to vaccinate EVERYBODY, worldwide but countries only think about their own population and own economies.


That's a fairly natural response and has always and ever been thus.

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