| Lib Dems are 1.65 ish on Betfair to win North Shropshire 18:21 - Dec 16 with 2839 views | XYZ |
Another not a good day to be a tory.
Could be the turning point for the liar Johnson. |  | | |  |
| Lib Dems are 1.65 ish on Betfair to win North Shropshire on 13:25 - Dec 17 with 639 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lib Dems are 1.65 ish on Betfair to win North Shropshire on 12:11 - Dec 17 by tractordownsouth |
A hung parliament is the best possible realistic result at the next election. To get a majority of 1, Starmer needs a swing bigger than Blair managed.
Even in 2010 when Cameron won from a similar base of 200 seats, the Tories had only lost the previous election by 3% so there were plenty of marginals to win. Labour lost by 11% last time and there are dozens of ‘middle England’ seats which Labour held under Blair and were marginals as recently as 2015 that now have majorities of 15k+ |
These aren’t ordinary times though.
The Tories May had had a stench of corruption towards the end of the Major government but this mob are a complete and utter shambles. They also won a majority by winning seats and votes that were not normally part of their demographic.
Labour can and will win a majority at the next election.
The only hope the Tories have is to elect somebody with some credibility who doesn’t run number ten like a fookin circus over the next three years. Even if that means cutting the loons adrift. |  |
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| Lib Dems are 1.65 ish on Betfair to win North Shropshire on 17:50 - Dec 17 with 561 views | tractordownsouth |
| Lib Dems are 1.65 ish on Betfair to win North Shropshire on 13:25 - Dec 17 by GlasgowBlue |
These aren’t ordinary times though.
The Tories May had had a stench of corruption towards the end of the Major government but this mob are a complete and utter shambles. They also won a majority by winning seats and votes that were not normally part of their demographic.
Labour can and will win a majority at the next election.
The only hope the Tories have is to elect somebody with some credibility who doesn’t run number ten like a fookin circus over the next three years. Even if that means cutting the loons adrift. |
You reckon Labour will go from 202 MPs to 326+ in one jump? I'd love to believe it but I don't see where it comes from. I still see Starmer as more of a Kinnock figure with only an outside shot of power, even if anti-Tory sentiment will surely only grow with inflation, tax and inequality all growing up.
Scotland makes it especially difficult (Labour would still win only 15 Scottish seats on a 10% uniform swing) and I think as long as Sturgeon is there it'll be tough - although with no obvious successor, once she's out the SNP could struggle, especially as Westminster elections have had a tendency to swing all over the place up there. Again, you're more in tune with that than me though. |  |
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| Lib Dems are 1.65 ish on Betfair to win North Shropshire on 19:23 - Dec 17 with 546 views | HARRY10 |
| Lib Dems are 1.65 ish on Betfair to win North Shropshire on 06:55 - Dec 17 by GlasgowBlue |
What happened to the Labour vote? Labour came second in Shropshire in the last two elections.
If Starmer wants to win the next election he needs Tories to vote Labour, not Lib Dem. |
eh ?
Tories voting against were always likely to vote Libdem. So you would have to be incredibly thick to imagine that Labour would fight this seat. As that would mean the vote was split, and the Tory candidate would have squeezed in.
I would suggest Labour being at 41% in the polls, against the Tories is enough to know. It would mean Labour on and around the 325 mark, and the Tories losing around 134 seats. Your bleat is little more than a desperate attempt to distract from what is an absolute disaster for your boys.
However there is a way to go before the next election. Labour cannot hope to keep Johnson in power for too much liar. A one man Tory wrecking ball, who with his lies and incompetence, is single handedly destroying the party.
Where we needed serious thought we had Peppa Pig. Where early action was needed we had vacillation. For many of us we know that there was fad less to this clown than meets the eye.
It's just a shame that it took others so long to see what was blindingly obvious. This was, and is, a weak and shallow man whose time was always going to run out. | | | |
| Lib Dems are 1.65 ish on Betfair to win North Shropshire on 22:12 - Dec 17 with 497 views | N2_Blue |
The state of voters in this country.
Woman interviewed on 10 BBC news on the by election result, “it’s very sad considering they’ve held it for 200 years”
FFS. What’s that got to do with anything. People are so right when they say some people will just vote the same party whatever! |  |
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| Lib Dems are 1.65 ish on Betfair to win North Shropshire on 23:51 - Dec 17 with 462 views | HARRY10 |
| Lib Dems are 1.65 ish on Betfair to win North Shropshire on 12:11 - Dec 17 by tractordownsouth |
A hung parliament is the best possible realistic result at the next election. To get a majority of 1, Starmer needs a swing bigger than Blair managed.
Even in 2010 when Cameron won from a similar base of 200 seats, the Tories had only lost the previous election by 3% so there were plenty of marginals to win. Labour lost by 11% last time and there are dozens of ‘middle England’ seats which Labour held under Blair and were marginals as recently as 2015 that now have majorities of 15k+ |
There's one glaringly obvious flaw in your assessment.
As the polls currently stand Labour are on 41 % which with the Tories on 32% it would see Labour forming or close to forming the next government. This has come about in the space of around six weeks.
The longer Johnson stays, the more damage he will do. And what would once have been dismissed as his foibles, that could be ignored whilst he supposedly delivered - are now seen as huge mistakes that causes him not to deliver.
The question is, If the bloated buffoon is heaved out, who on earth is going to want to take on the job. Inflation, set to hit 6% as a minimum. Taxes rising and wages not keeping up. Lord knows what restrictions - and the chronic effects of brexit and the huge amount of red tape and costs that are still to be added.
How many of those are not down to the incompetence of Johnson is a moot point. But once the populace has turned, then they will hold him to account. Many rather naively trusted him when he claimed he would get Brexit done. There would also be a world beating track and trace.
It was inevitable that he would run out of road at some point. It just seems years of lying and deceit have finally brought him down. And the skeletons are about to tumble out of the closet at an alarming rate.
I suspect the UK will be divided into two camps. Those who will say 'I told you so' and those who will be quietly thinking 'how the fck were we fooled by such an obvious fraud'. | | | |
| Lib Dems are 1.65 ish on Betfair to win North Shropshire on 08:00 - Dec 18 with 394 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lib Dems are 1.65 ish on Betfair to win North Shropshire on 23:51 - Dec 17 by HARRY10 |
There's one glaringly obvious flaw in your assessment.
As the polls currently stand Labour are on 41 % which with the Tories on 32% it would see Labour forming or close to forming the next government. This has come about in the space of around six weeks.
The longer Johnson stays, the more damage he will do. And what would once have been dismissed as his foibles, that could be ignored whilst he supposedly delivered - are now seen as huge mistakes that causes him not to deliver.
The question is, If the bloated buffoon is heaved out, who on earth is going to want to take on the job. Inflation, set to hit 6% as a minimum. Taxes rising and wages not keeping up. Lord knows what restrictions - and the chronic effects of brexit and the huge amount of red tape and costs that are still to be added.
How many of those are not down to the incompetence of Johnson is a moot point. But once the populace has turned, then they will hold him to account. Many rather naively trusted him when he claimed he would get Brexit done. There would also be a world beating track and trace.
It was inevitable that he would run out of road at some point. It just seems years of lying and deceit have finally brought him down. And the skeletons are about to tumble out of the closet at an alarming rate.
I suspect the UK will be divided into two camps. Those who will say 'I told you so' and those who will be quietly thinking 'how the fck were we fooled by such an obvious fraud'. |
I’m struggling to see where you are getting “Labour are currently on 41%” from H.
I think there was a single poll that may have thrown up that number a couple of weeks ago but the last 7 have Labour in the late 30’s
We are very much in hung Parliament territory.
Which should make you happy as you predicted that on polling day two years ago. [Post edited 18 Dec 2021 8:23]
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