| Martinelli Red Card 14:08 - Feb 11 with 2760 views | jp_itfc |
Apologies if this has been mentioned already.
A great piece of refereeing IMO, both bookable offences in my book. I'm sure there is a debate to be had. What are your thoughts? |  | | |  |
| Martinelli Red Card on 12:29 - Feb 12 with 340 views | ZXBlue |
| Martinelli Red Card on 12:18 - Feb 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Indeed. The last statement goes against the warning argument. The player knew he had been lucky to escape the first booking due to it going to the wrong player. It was therefore reasonable to anticipate the retrospective correction. |
The warning argument is a weak one anyway. If its two yellow offences, its two yellow offences.
Too many refs bottle this. How often do you see a filthy tackle, followed by a bit of reaction and then both players get the yellow, rather than the perpetrator getting one for hte tackle and one fot eh subsequent argy bargy? | | | |
| Martinelli Red Card on 12:43 - Feb 12 with 326 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
If Morsy was guilty of a Red Card offence, then the first of the two fouls (arms raised to the player taking the throw in) is a straight red.
But, in my opinion, Morsy shouldn't have been given a red.
I 100% support Oliver's decision to award two yellows. It is completely within the rules for a ref to play advantage and go back and book a player, but that doesn't give that player a free pass to commit another offence without punishment. He was completely correct to do as he did if he considers both fouls to be worthy of yellow cards.
Then you could argue whether each were "yellow card fouls". Any unbiased football fan would put them in the "totally understand why the ref gave a yellow there" category. Which doesn't mean that every ref always gives the second yellow, but that is to do with consistency and Oliver can only control his own actions. [Post edited 12 Feb 2022 12:50]
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| Martinelli Red Card on 12:46 - Feb 12 with 325 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Martinelli Red Card on 12:29 - Feb 12 by ZXBlue |
The warning argument is a weak one anyway. If its two yellow offences, its two yellow offences.
Too many refs bottle this. How often do you see a filthy tackle, followed by a bit of reaction and then both players get the yellow, rather than the perpetrator getting one for hte tackle and one fot eh subsequent argy bargy? |
But that is the point. The second interpretation would encourage a player to get involved every time so that there is handbags. The initial foul is a yellow and then both get booked so at the expense of a yellow card, the one who started the handbags has got the other one sent off.
There has to be a degree of common sense applied. One could argue the cynical foul straight after blocking the throw-in (ineffectively it must be added) showed a lack of common sense. However, effectively block the throw-in = yellow card. Fail to do so makes it potentially harsh in the context of him getting the second one. Certainly Oliver has applied the rule correctly. However, I am not sure he has been especially fair in doing so. Would be very interested to hear someone like Dermot Gallagher's thoughts on it. |  |
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| Martinelli Red Card on 15:09 - Feb 12 with 297 views | Sharkey |
| Martinelli Red Card on 12:18 - Feb 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Indeed. The last statement goes against the warning argument. The player knew he had been lucky to escape the first booking due to it going to the wrong player. It was therefore reasonable to anticipate the retrospective correction. |
Fair point - but on the other hand another Colchester player had had to 'tread carefully' throughout the game because the ref made a mistake. If he's got booked a second time would the ref have accepted he messed up with the first one? Your way of thinking effectively books two players for one offence. |  | | |
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