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... in appointing Harding & Coupe -
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"unpaid" 😂 |
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-chair-of-coronavirus-test-and-trace-progr
“This is an unpaid role and Baroness Harding has been appointed due to her experience in healthcare and successfully leading large organisations and programmes”.
Probably best to check the facts before using a mocking emoji. [Post edited 16 Feb 2022 8:36]
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Of course they didn’t plan for it. It was a totally fcuk up. We know this. Would you then prefer them to follow the rules and take months (or even six weeks as Swansea has suggested) when we’ve been caught with our pants down or make a quick and urgent appointment.
Paul Cook picks a team with no goal scorers. We are 3-0 down after 10 minutes. Do we throw a couple of strikers on after ten minutes or dies he spend the next 79 minutes discussing the decision with the kit man on how to get back in the game. |
But Governments do plan for Pandemics.
The people and organisational roles that are responsible are pre-worked out.
Hence saying, but pandemic, isn’t a valid excuse. it is just more clever campaigning style rhetoric, that some will follow.
In terms of your analogy,
KMK, does some opposition research and has a number of formations in mind, and drills the team.
If everything is fine, stick with plan A.
When things go wrong, chase next plan and execute.
By the way, there have been pandemic plans in Government, and things like how to role out a vaccine have been documented.
Unfortunately, and this is we’re it can get tricky for some, it wasn’t under the current shower of sh1t that things were left to slide.
Again, from your analogy, all that happens if this is simply dismissed as unimportant, is you get Paul Cook in charge for the next game, and 3-0 down again. |  | | |
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But Governments do plan for Pandemics.
The people and organisational roles that are responsible are pre-worked out.
Hence saying, but pandemic, isn’t a valid excuse. it is just more clever campaigning style rhetoric, that some will follow.
In terms of your analogy,
KMK, does some opposition research and has a number of formations in mind, and drills the team.
If everything is fine, stick with plan A.
When things go wrong, chase next plan and execute.
By the way, there have been pandemic plans in Government, and things like how to role out a vaccine have been documented.
Unfortunately, and this is we’re it can get tricky for some, it wasn’t under the current shower of sh1t that things were left to slide.
Again, from your analogy, all that happens if this is simply dismissed as unimportant, is you get Paul Cook in charge for the next game, and 3-0 down again. |
You’re coming at this as if I’m defending the government’s handling of the pandemic. Or defending their lack of preparedness for any type of pandemic.
But we were where we were. We had no testing process and a deputy chief medical officer, who despite recommendations from WHO, went in record as saying test, test, test was “not an appropriate mechanism as we go forward”.
So the country found itself with no test and trace programme and decisions were needed to be made very quickly. Hence the reason the government bypassed the equality’s process for recruitment at the time. Decisions had to be made very quickly.
We now have a test and trace system that is second to none. | |
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You’re coming at this as if I’m defending the government’s handling of the pandemic. Or defending their lack of preparedness for any type of pandemic.
But we were where we were. We had no testing process and a deputy chief medical officer, who despite recommendations from WHO, went in record as saying test, test, test was “not an appropriate mechanism as we go forward”.
So the country found itself with no test and trace programme and decisions were needed to be made very quickly. Hence the reason the government bypassed the equality’s process for recruitment at the time. Decisions had to be made very quickly.
We now have a test and trace system that is second to none. |
In a damning report, the public accounts committee concluded that NHS test and trace “has not achieved its main objective to help break chains of Covid-19 transmission and enable people to return towards a more normal way of life” despite receiving about 20% of the NHS’s entire annual budget — £37 bn — over two years.
At the start of the pandemic, we did have a track and trace system.
If you recall, rather than use local resources such as environmental health officers to help do, what they are quite good at doing, the Government decided to stop tracking, and centralised things.
To use your analogy, having a strategy to win a football match, after the full time whistle and media interviews are over, isn’t world class. | | | |
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I'm sure you knew exactly what I meant you silly old thing, so you can spare us the righteous indignation bit. | |
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In a damning report, the public accounts committee concluded that NHS test and trace “has not achieved its main objective to help break chains of Covid-19 transmission and enable people to return towards a more normal way of life” despite receiving about 20% of the NHS’s entire annual budget — £37 bn — over two years.
At the start of the pandemic, we did have a track and trace system.
If you recall, rather than use local resources such as environmental health officers to help do, what they are quite good at doing, the Government decided to stop tracking, and centralised things.
To use your analogy, having a strategy to win a football match, after the full time whistle and media interviews are over, isn’t world class. |
And yet Germany has based its entire pandemic policy on our data from test and trace.
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In a damning report, the public accounts committee concluded that NHS test and trace “has not achieved its main objective to help break chains of Covid-19 transmission and enable people to return towards a more normal way of life” despite receiving about 20% of the NHS’s entire annual budget — £37 bn — over two years.
At the start of the pandemic, we did have a track and trace system.
If you recall, rather than use local resources such as environmental health officers to help do, what they are quite good at doing, the Government decided to stop tracking, and centralised things.
To use your analogy, having a strategy to win a football match, after the full time whistle and media interviews are over, isn’t world class. |
there's a very good 'more or less' report on the £37 billion figure. worth looking for. £37 billion ins't a real figure - although the number is a good estimate of the number of times it's been repeated. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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And yet Germany has based its entire pandemic policy on our data from test and trace.
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Maybe tell that to the Public Accounts committee, what did they miss do you think?
But again, to use an analogy, I could base a strategy based on analysing data from Paul Cook, and two other teams.
It doesn’t mean Paul Cook’s strategy was successful. | | | |
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there's a very good 'more or less' report on the £37 billion figure. worth looking for. £37 billion ins't a real figure - although the number is a good estimate of the number of times it's been repeated. |
Facts can often be uncomfortable
https://fullfact.org/health/37-billion-serco-social-care/
“Only about £13.5 billion was spent”. [Post edited 16 Feb 2022 14:21]
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Maybe tell that to the Public Accounts committee, what did they miss do you think?
But again, to use an analogy, I could base a strategy based on analysing data from Paul Cook, and two other teams.
It doesn’t mean Paul Cook’s strategy was successful. |
We started from nowhere. The governments fault.
We now have a test and trace programme second to none, as per the stats shown.
It’s all about the data. | |
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We started from nowhere. The governments fault.
We now have a test and trace programme second to none, as per the stats shown.
It’s all about the data. |
Well, as I said, take it up with the public accounts committee.
On the data, their conclusion was
“ We have previously found that gaps in data meant NHST&T was unable to demonstrate how effective it was at reducing the transmission of COVID-19. Continuing gaps in NHST&T’s data collection means it still does not have a full picture of its performance.”
A quote from Dr Simon Clarke, associate professor in cellular microbiology at the University of Reading.
“Greater attention seems to have been paid to headline-grabbing initiatives to build up the system than to ensuring it actually did its job.”
I have to assume, you have been more influenced by the actual data and not headlines or tweets.
So you must have data, that will be useful in re-reviewing how well everything was done.
Now you could argue that the public accounts committee was held at a certain time.
But as I said, a world class strategy developed after the post match interviews, is not, in my opinion world class.
As an aside I have taken PCR tests in other countries. It was cheaper and quicker and more seamless getting the results. And it was before the public accounts committee published their results. | | | |
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