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And you were meant to, it was a frivolous idea. However, I've since discovered this podcast... and the idea pf Panpsychism.
Essentially, the idea is that EVERYTHING has a form of consciousness, just that some things have it on a much more complex level (i.e. humans) than other things (i.e the molecules in a brick). It's a fundamental property of everything, at a molecular level.
It makes sense - because if you trace life all the way back to its origins, then consciousness MUST'VE been on a very small, very basic level. As with life, consciousness must've emerged from non-life, and it must've been very very basic (initially), evolving over millions of years (in some things) to a point where you're experiencing this sentence. The fact that it emerged at all suggests it could be a basic property of everything.
That's what I took from it, anyway. Any of you science buffs know more on the subject?
It's a long podcast but very interesting.
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You all laughed when I suggested the sun could be conscious on 17:59 - Feb 17 with 739 views
You all laughed when I suggested the sun could be conscious on 17:28 - Feb 17 by Ryorry
You said basically that humans are "much much better" animals than other species.
I've pointed out that, IQ aside (and even that may be debateable with species like elephants and dolphins) we are actually much much worse in some ways - no other species has developed the capacity to inflict cruelty on a mass scale out of ideology, or to destroy the entire planet. Those things of course only came as a result of our IQ (& manual dexterity).
Why would you put IQ aside? That is the area where we're better.
Debatable?!? In what way is the IQ of an elephant or dolphin comparable?
The rest you've just repeated in a slightly different way what you said before, as if you haven't read my post or wanted to address the points. Destroying the planet is a by-product of survival, as is inflicting cruelty - it's been taken to extremes and is pretty fecked up - I'm not condoning it - but that's essentially what it stems from. And animals would do the same if they could, as I've highlighted.
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You all laughed when I suggested the sun could be conscious on 18:10 - Feb 17 with 715 views
You all laughed when I suggested the sun could be conscious on 17:59 - Feb 17 by The_Flashing_Smile
Why would you put IQ aside? That is the area where we're better.
Debatable?!? In what way is the IQ of an elephant or dolphin comparable?
The rest you've just repeated in a slightly different way what you said before, as if you haven't read my post or wanted to address the points. Destroying the planet is a by-product of survival, as is inflicting cruelty - it's been taken to extremes and is pretty fecked up - I'm not condoning it - but that's essentially what it stems from. And animals would do the same if they could, as I've highlighted.
What a strange way to spend an afternoon reaching the conclusion that an elephant would nuke Ukraine before invading.
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You all laughed when I suggested the sun could be conscious on 18:45 - Feb 17 with 690 views
You all laughed when I suggested the sun could be conscious on 17:59 - Feb 17 by The_Flashing_Smile
Why would you put IQ aside? That is the area where we're better.
Debatable?!? In what way is the IQ of an elephant or dolphin comparable?
The rest you've just repeated in a slightly different way what you said before, as if you haven't read my post or wanted to address the points. Destroying the planet is a by-product of survival, as is inflicting cruelty - it's been taken to extremes and is pretty fecked up - I'm not condoning it - but that's essentially what it stems from. And animals would do the same if they could, as I've highlighted.
Your previous examples of animal 'bad behaviour' were all small scale, localised & of shallow/limited impact compared with the catastrophic damage humans have done to themselves, other species & the planet, not to mention the even worse that we're capable of; I therefore didn't adress any of the large number of examples you posted for that reason.
Even taking only your main point, ie IQ - if we were that bloody intelligent, we wouldn't be continuing to career along recklessly with the behaviours that we know will make our planet uninhabitable for ourselves in the not too distant future. Looking at it another way, I suppose you could say we've risen to the level of our incompetence.
I said "maybe" about dolphins/elephants as I'm no expert, I'm sure there are studies out there somewhere which would be informative. Similarly with development of species - rather than us playing guessing games, no doubt there'll be better informed literature out there if you search.
You all laughed when I suggested the sun could be conscious on 19:22 - Feb 17 by Ryorry
Your previous examples of animal 'bad behaviour' were all small scale, localised & of shallow/limited impact compared with the catastrophic damage humans have done to themselves, other species & the planet, not to mention the even worse that we're capable of; I therefore didn't adress any of the large number of examples you posted for that reason.
Even taking only your main point, ie IQ - if we were that bloody intelligent, we wouldn't be continuing to career along recklessly with the behaviours that we know will make our planet uninhabitable for ourselves in the not too distant future. Looking at it another way, I suppose you could say we've risen to the level of our incompetence.
I said "maybe" about dolphins/elephants as I'm no expert, I'm sure there are studies out there somewhere which would be informative. Similarly with development of species - rather than us playing guessing games, no doubt there'll be better informed literature out there if you search.
The examples I gave were in direct response to your points, namely: "No other species keeps other animals captive" "Deliberately beats them up" "Tortures them to extract information" "Factory farms them."
The only reason they don't do this on a large scale is because they can't. As I said, a lion would drop a bomb to knock out all the zebras, regardless of environmental impact, if he could.
I don't need to look at studies or read "literature" to know that humans are more intelligent than dolphins and elephants. Can you name me one elephant or dolphin who has designed something to make life easier, such as harness electricity, or written a book, or learned a language?
That humans are fecking up the planet isn't due to a lack of intelligence, it's due to greed. Everyday humans, like me and you, aren't fecking up the planet, it's big businesses, the owners of which know they won't be around by the time it all goes to sh!t. That's not lack of intelligence, it's selfishness.
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You all laughed when I suggested the sun could be conscious on 08:04 - Feb 18 with 581 views
You all laughed when I suggested the sun could be conscious on 15:42 - Feb 17 by Ryorry
"Yes, we are animals too. But much much better ones."
I'd say that's hugely controversial, in fact in terms of behaviour I completely disagree with it. Animals don't deliberately imprison or torture each other for non-food reasons, or knowingly destroy the environment they & all other living things in it depend on.
I think our being so far ahead has been explained by a) having hands and b) turning from hunter-gatherers, to cultivators & farmers. But others will know better than me.
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