| We have to stop kidding ourselves. 22:13 - May 4 with 2336 views | NthQldITFC |
Very good 'Costing the Earth' on Radio 4 tonight examining the conflict between the perception of progress towards sustainability in one of the 'most green' countries (Sweden) and the realities of the impact of expanding green industry on the vestiges of established forest and the traditional occupants, specifcally Sami reindeer herders.
The seemingly noble idea of using wood (biomass) for energy production under 'consultation' with the Sami was all very well until the state-run industry pushed beyond acceptable limits and then began to ignore the consultation process in the blinkered pursuit of their targets.
Intentions to produce 'green steel' using electrolytically produced hydrogen rather than coke are creating huge demands for electricity, which in theory can be 'green', but in practice is creating unsustainable demand on that environment.
As the Sami herder at the end said, "Green industry is still industry" - the superficially well-intentioned policies in that region are crushing the established people and ecosystem, and the so-called green industries are still profit-led, murderous monsters.
As another of the interviewees said "When will enough be enough?" - will we look for nice 'green' ways to take more and more from the Earth and smugly convince ourselves that because in theory an industry can be green, then on the balance sheet we can ignore the actual effects of that industry, which are NEVER REMOTELY AS GREEN as the theory might suggest.
Government and industry are still 'growth-led' and will keep doing their thing. The only hopes are for us as individuals on behalf of our children and the future, to radically reduce demand. So for fcks sake think again every time you decide to build an extension, or buy a bigger telly, or a bigger 'safer' car, or fly to France for a football match.
The idea of technical solutions to impending environmental catastrophe without a radical reduction in what all of us consume, is frankly a load of ballocks, and it's our kids and grandkids that will pay the price.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0016xjt [Post edited 4 May 2022 22:14]
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| We have to stop kidding ourselves. on 23:44 - May 4 with 469 views | NthQldITFC |
| We have to stop kidding ourselves. on 23:23 - May 4 by Swansea_Blue |
Sounds right up Monbiot’s street, who says we have to abandon growth as the primary target if we’re ever going to get anywhere. He’s right of course, but people don’t want to hear that when their pension funds rely on growth and profit at any cost. |
People don't want to hear it, but as far as I'm concerned all functional adults and older children have a responsibility to listen. We are a very selfish species on the whole, prioritising our pensions and our comfort over our planet's and our children's futures.
Perpetual growth = Death.
Let's all go Buddhist and abandon our 'selves'. On second thoughts we might have be embrace NCFC as being one with us, so f that! | |
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| We have to stop kidding ourselves. on 23:57 - May 4 with 458 views | unstableblue |
| We have to stop kidding ourselves. on 23:44 - May 4 by NthQldITFC |
People don't want to hear it, but as far as I'm concerned all functional adults and older children have a responsibility to listen. We are a very selfish species on the whole, prioritising our pensions and our comfort over our planet's and our children's futures.
Perpetual growth = Death.
Let's all go Buddhist and abandon our 'selves'. On second thoughts we might have be embrace NCFC as being one with us, so f that! |
I was thinking about what we all need to do: consume less (clothes, unnecessary foibles), insulate more, turn the boiler down, remove foreign travel, drive less…. And I thought ‘well I’ll never give up travelling home and away to follow the town’! That’s one activity we must never reduce!!! |  |
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| We have to stop kidding ourselves. on 09:42 - May 5 with 405 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
If that's intended as a positive endorsement then I must have read the wrong article. |  |
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