| Benefit blame from Sunak 08:21 - Aug 18 with 2793 views | Mullet |
The shamelessness and lies being deconstructed here is appalling. |  |
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| Benefit blame from Sunak on 22:21 - Aug 18 with 491 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Benefit blame from Sunak on 21:28 - Aug 18 by jeera |
" 9 hours of work minimum required to fall into the light work requirement threshold"
Any chance you can explain this as I have no idea what it is and cannot find any info.
What people? Who tests them and where? |
There are 5 work schemes within universal credit. Each has different criteria to who goes where.
One of them is for those that fall under intense work requirements ( there is a more specific name for it)
Basically they come onto the scheme with a minimum requirement to actively spend 37 hours a week searching for work withing a 90 minute radius to home postcode.
There are then variable hourly catchments to what moves a customer from intense to light work searching requirements. Some are 9 hours. Some are 16 hours.
The usual minimum intense work search requirment for a claimant was a jcp meeting every week whilst also meeting twice a month with the work scheme provider. When the 9 hour threshold was reached for some or the 16 hour for others.. their requirements to meet the jcp reduced to once a month or fortnightly ( basically less pressure from government to push for more hours and reducing the time they spend looking for work.
Any claimants put into the work schemes with any form of medical condition resulting in lighter work requirements would always be known at the first ever work scheme meeting. Most of the time it was helping them to be ready for finding work if and when their conditions improved. ( helping them build confidence, CBT sessions etc) some we would get who were waiting for jcp doctors assessments but there are 6 month waiting lists for these in some areas.
Have a look at the schemes like kickstart. Restart. Healt and work scheme. Companies like Reed. Maximus etc cover these work schemes.
They are amazing schemes for those that generally want the help. I had amazing feedback from many who personally thanked me for changing their lives. But sadly I'd say 2 in 10 actually wanted the help. And that's why it became impossible to enjoy.
I will say there are problems with the schemes too. Many I saw who I personally felt shouldn't have been on them. Someone who was 4 months away from retirement for example, but that should have been ironed out over the months as the schemes were relatively new. |  |
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| Benefit blame from Sunak on 22:27 - Aug 18 with 472 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Benefit blame from Sunak on 22:21 - Aug 18 by FrimleyBlue |
There are 5 work schemes within universal credit. Each has different criteria to who goes where.
One of them is for those that fall under intense work requirements ( there is a more specific name for it)
Basically they come onto the scheme with a minimum requirement to actively spend 37 hours a week searching for work withing a 90 minute radius to home postcode.
There are then variable hourly catchments to what moves a customer from intense to light work searching requirements. Some are 9 hours. Some are 16 hours.
The usual minimum intense work search requirment for a claimant was a jcp meeting every week whilst also meeting twice a month with the work scheme provider. When the 9 hour threshold was reached for some or the 16 hour for others.. their requirements to meet the jcp reduced to once a month or fortnightly ( basically less pressure from government to push for more hours and reducing the time they spend looking for work.
Any claimants put into the work schemes with any form of medical condition resulting in lighter work requirements would always be known at the first ever work scheme meeting. Most of the time it was helping them to be ready for finding work if and when their conditions improved. ( helping them build confidence, CBT sessions etc) some we would get who were waiting for jcp doctors assessments but there are 6 month waiting lists for these in some areas.
Have a look at the schemes like kickstart. Restart. Healt and work scheme. Companies like Reed. Maximus etc cover these work schemes.
They are amazing schemes for those that generally want the help. I had amazing feedback from many who personally thanked me for changing their lives. But sadly I'd say 2 in 10 actually wanted the help. And that's why it became impossible to enjoy.
I will say there are problems with the schemes too. Many I saw who I personally felt shouldn't have been on them. Someone who was 4 months away from retirement for example, but that should have been ironed out over the months as the schemes were relatively new. |
Wow!
"actively spend 37 hours a week searching for work within a 90 minute radius to home postcode" and presumably also prove that they have done that.
What proportion end up signed off with depression? What sort of thing do they end up proving? That they are visiting every business in the locality and begging personally for any work going? Job hunting and constant rejections is depressing enough without someone assessing that you spending full time doing it. Technically doesn't that mean you are being paid less than £3 an hour to work at finding work too?!
I get it that you want people to prove they are genuinely available and looking for work but that sounds ridiculous. |  |
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| Benefit blame from Sunak on 22:45 - Aug 18 with 451 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Benefit blame from Sunak on 22:27 - Aug 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Wow!
"actively spend 37 hours a week searching for work within a 90 minute radius to home postcode" and presumably also prove that they have done that.
What proportion end up signed off with depression? What sort of thing do they end up proving? That they are visiting every business in the locality and begging personally for any work going? Job hunting and constant rejections is depressing enough without someone assessing that you spending full time doing it. Technically doesn't that mean you are being paid less than £3 an hour to work at finding work too?!
I get it that you want people to prove they are genuinely available and looking for work but that sounds ridiculous. |
It honestly varied, I knew of people who were asked for confirmation of interviews. Screenshots of applications made etc. But also those who only had to attend our meetings and it counted towards it.
On average they deemed it it to take a maximum of 3 months to find work.. if you haven't that's when questions get asked and the pressure went on... but then throw in the change to light work requirements and you can see how it changes those rules anyway.
Anxiety. Depression was probably the number 1 reason for not finding employment and definitely one that most were waiting for an official assessment on. We'd get alot of 'fit notes' from doctors which didn't satisfy UC but did satisfy job centres so again some of these would get sanctioned despite jcp workcoaches accepting a doctors fit note.
Most people assume jcp ( job centres) are the universal credit. But they aren't, they are just administrators on short term contracts being pulled between different locations covering for short staffed offices.
It's all rather a shambles tbh.
I get what rishi and liz say on on hand. They are correct.
But the system, how its run and how its managed is fked. | |
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| Benefit blame from Sunak on 22:48 - Aug 18 with 436 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Benefit blame from Sunak on 22:45 - Aug 18 by FrimleyBlue |
It honestly varied, I knew of people who were asked for confirmation of interviews. Screenshots of applications made etc. But also those who only had to attend our meetings and it counted towards it.
On average they deemed it it to take a maximum of 3 months to find work.. if you haven't that's when questions get asked and the pressure went on... but then throw in the change to light work requirements and you can see how it changes those rules anyway.
Anxiety. Depression was probably the number 1 reason for not finding employment and definitely one that most were waiting for an official assessment on. We'd get alot of 'fit notes' from doctors which didn't satisfy UC but did satisfy job centres so again some of these would get sanctioned despite jcp workcoaches accepting a doctors fit note.
Most people assume jcp ( job centres) are the universal credit. But they aren't, they are just administrators on short term contracts being pulled between different locations covering for short staffed offices.
It's all rather a shambles tbh.
I get what rishi and liz say on on hand. They are correct.
But the system, how its run and how its managed is fked. |
So, in summary, the under-funded benefits assessment system is mainly about discouraging people from claiming benefits.
In contrast to the deliberately designed tax loophole system that allows rich people to avoid well over 10x as much Government funds as the benefits system costs. | |
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| Benefit blame from Sunak on 22:55 - Aug 18 with 429 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Benefit blame from Sunak on 22:48 - Aug 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So, in summary, the under-funded benefits assessment system is mainly about discouraging people from claiming benefits.
In contrast to the deliberately designed tax loophole system that allows rich people to avoid well over 10x as much Government funds as the benefits system costs. |
I'm afraid that's as far as my knowledge goes on that front but I'd imagine your spot on. | |
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| Benefit blame from Sunak on 23:06 - Aug 18 with 419 views | jeera |
| Benefit blame from Sunak on 22:55 - Aug 18 by FrimleyBlue |
I'm afraid that's as far as my knowledge goes on that front but I'd imagine your spot on. |
"There are then variable hourly catchments to what moves a customer from intense to light work searching requirements. Some are 9 hours. Some are 16 hours."
How exactly is that determined please? There must be specific criteria.
"some we would get who were waiting for jcp doctors assessments but there are 6 month waiting lists for these in some areas."
Never heard of these. What are 'JCP doctors' assessments please?
Are you not referring to the outsourced so-called 'healthcare professionals' provided by US companies such as Maximus (now operating under a different name) and the likes of what used to be Atos. Those people do you mean? |  |
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| Benefit blame from Sunak on 23:49 - Aug 18 with 394 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Benefit blame from Sunak on 23:06 - Aug 18 by jeera |
"There are then variable hourly catchments to what moves a customer from intense to light work searching requirements. Some are 9 hours. Some are 16 hours."
How exactly is that determined please? There must be specific criteria.
"some we would get who were waiting for jcp doctors assessments but there are 6 month waiting lists for these in some areas."
Never heard of these. What are 'JCP doctors' assessments please?
Are you not referring to the outsourced so-called 'healthcare professionals' provided by US companies such as Maximus (now operating under a different name) and the likes of what used to be Atos. Those people do you mean? |
Tbh Jeera I don't know who exactly the jcp doctors assessors are, it wasn't really something we needed to know as our involvement was to help with the work applications. Interview help etc. All I know is that claimsnts couldn't just obtain a letter from their gp. They had to undertake a formal assessment at their local job centre.
With regards the light work search criteria. That is something universal credit decide. They have control over what is required by the claimants, on all the workschemes however the 16 hours Is the bare minimum someone has to work to be removed from the work search scheme, between 9 and 16 hours or those with medical conditions however tended to fall into the light work search requirements.
UC no doubt have their criteria written out. But I can only speak from a work scheme provider point of view. | |
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