| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? 00:27 - Dec 29 with 1464 views | WicklowBlue |
The Irish Government documents are...and often show an insight as to the mood music of the time.
Tony Blair told John Bruton 25 years ago that British people feared 'losing control' to the EU
https://jrnl.ie/5943991 [Post edited 29 Dec 2022 0:27]
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| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 03:49 - Dec 29 with 1376 views | Illinoisblue |
On a 30-year cycle, aren’t they? |  |
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| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 07:56 - Dec 29 with 1315 views | bluelagos |
Yep, we moved from a 30 year to 20 year rule a few years ago, releases are at the end of the year.
So in a few day there will be some stories in the press relating to events of 2002.
Blair was on the button with the EU. When you travel,around Ireland you see signs highlghting EU funded projects and that resonates in people recognising EU benefits.
If there's one over riding reason behind brexit it's that ordinary people didn't see / feel or understand the benefits here, but did see what they perceived as the costs (Migration / Funds to EU / Brussels based decisions)
And now the economic impact on trade are becomimg clearer every day, impacts that many sneerily dismissed as "project fear" at the time... |  |
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| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 08:01 - Dec 29 with 1297 views | Darth_Koont |
To be fair, this was after Maastricht and the ramping up of the right-wing press (Up yours Delors etc) and the emergence of the soon-to-be dominant Euroscepticism of Ian Duncan Smith et al ... that never went away from the Tory party or the right wing more generally and led to the ERG and UKIP types increasingly more vocal.
Luckily, it seems from this that Blair knew what was happening and that’s why he made sure to go against the right-wing message and promote the EU rather than talk reform ... pass on the benefits of the EU’s economic stability to the British people ... and his government didn’t turn up the xenophobic message on immigration, didn’t further financialise and centralize our own economy and didn’t leave the regions dangling even during a period of strong global growth ...
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| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 09:45 - Dec 29 with 1179 views | WeWereZombies |
| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 07:56 - Dec 29 by bluelagos |
Yep, we moved from a 30 year to 20 year rule a few years ago, releases are at the end of the year.
So in a few day there will be some stories in the press relating to events of 2002.
Blair was on the button with the EU. When you travel,around Ireland you see signs highlghting EU funded projects and that resonates in people recognising EU benefits.
If there's one over riding reason behind brexit it's that ordinary people didn't see / feel or understand the benefits here, but did see what they perceived as the costs (Migration / Funds to EU / Brussels based decisions)
And now the economic impact on trade are becomimg clearer every day, impacts that many sneerily dismissed as "project fear" at the time... |
And not just Ireland, I was travelling for five weeks in Spain back in 2001 and couldn't help noticing how scrubbed up clean and well street furnished town and city centres were, how many historic buildings had been restored and so on using European Union funds. They knew how to make the grant applications and ensured they got spent correctly. Had not sorted out their endemic unemployment but at least the unemployed had nice environments to walk around in the sunshine... |  |
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| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 11:46 - Dec 29 with 1128 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 07:56 - Dec 29 by bluelagos |
Yep, we moved from a 30 year to 20 year rule a few years ago, releases are at the end of the year.
So in a few day there will be some stories in the press relating to events of 2002.
Blair was on the button with the EU. When you travel,around Ireland you see signs highlghting EU funded projects and that resonates in people recognising EU benefits.
If there's one over riding reason behind brexit it's that ordinary people didn't see / feel or understand the benefits here, but did see what they perceived as the costs (Migration / Funds to EU / Brussels based decisions)
And now the economic impact on trade are becomimg clearer every day, impacts that many sneerily dismissed as "project fear" at the time... |
“Blair was on the button with the EU. When you travel,around Ireland you see signs highlghting EU funded projects and that resonates in people recognising EU benefits. ”
Surely that was an easier sell for Ireland though - up until 2018 it was a net beneficiary of EU funds. |  | | |
| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 16:23 - Dec 29 with 1001 views | DJR |
We don't get to see everything. Section 3(4) of the Public Records Act 1958 contains an extremely wide exemption. It allows records to be retained "if, in the opinion of the person who is responsible for them, they are required for administrative purposes or ought to be retained for any other special reason."
Here's a link to a Guardian article about this, written at a time when the 20 year rule was being phased in.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/07/30-year-rule-documents-gov |  | | |
| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 17:52 - Dec 29 with 964 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 11:46 - Dec 29 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“Blair was on the button with the EU. When you travel,around Ireland you see signs highlghting EU funded projects and that resonates in people recognising EU benefits. ”
Surely that was an easier sell for Ireland though - up until 2018 it was a net beneficiary of EU funds. |
You’d have thought it would have been an easy sell here given the benefits far outweighed the negatives & costs. But here we are. Nowt weird as folk (see the Aldi thread for a more up to date example). |  |
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| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 18:12 - Dec 29 with 947 views | gazzer1999 |
| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 09:45 - Dec 29 by WeWereZombies |
And not just Ireland, I was travelling for five weeks in Spain back in 2001 and couldn't help noticing how scrubbed up clean and well street furnished town and city centres were, how many historic buildings had been restored and so on using European Union funds. They knew how to make the grant applications and ensured they got spent correctly. Had not sorted out their endemic unemployment but at least the unemployed had nice environments to walk around in the sunshine... |
So explain to me again how this all works, we pay into the system and that money become EU funds they then let you have some back to spend on cleaning things up, and then tell us to put a sign up telling us all how wonderful the EU is. It's a pity that our own democratically elected governments couldn't be trusted to use our taxes as well as the EU.
I just hope all the countries in the EU get a fair share of the pot otherwise countries will want to leave, oh wait....... |  | | |
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| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 18:35 - Dec 29 with 916 views | DJR |
| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 17:52 - Dec 29 by Swansea_Blue |
You’d have thought it would have been an easy sell here given the benefits far outweighed the negatives & costs. But here we are. Nowt weird as folk (see the Aldi thread for a more up to date example). |
Our whole attitude to the EU was completely wrong. If you go to Spain, there are large signs in airports indicating people are entitled to compensation for delays, but there was nothing similar in airports in the UK presumably because the airlines didn't want to give it publicity. And even if people did pursue this, many presumably went through the leech-like companies which take a cut of the compensation because they weren't properly aware of their rights. [Post edited 29 Dec 2022 18:38]
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| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 06:46 - Dec 30 with 857 views | WeWereZombies |
| Are UK government docs released on a schedule? on 18:12 - Dec 29 by gazzer1999 |
So explain to me again how this all works, we pay into the system and that money become EU funds they then let you have some back to spend on cleaning things up, and then tell us to put a sign up telling us all how wonderful the EU is. It's a pity that our own democratically elected governments couldn't be trusted to use our taxes as well as the EU.
I just hope all the countries in the EU get a fair share of the pot otherwise countries will want to leave, oh wait....... |
'It's a pity that our own democratically elected governments couldn't be trusted to use our taxes as well as the EU.'
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_and_the_Irish_border#Brexit_referendum_in_N
'In the June 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, Northern Ireland voted 55.8% to 44.2% in favour of remaining in the European Union...In a November 2018 opinion poll commissioned by BBC Northern Ireland and RTÉ (Republic of Ireland), 61% of those polled believed that Brexit should not go ahead if the price is a hard border...' | |
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