| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC 09:54 - Feb 27 with 918 views | Ryorry |
Would be a disastrous move & our + global loss
https://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/p00fzl7j
Informs, enlightens, entertains - so many aspects of human life from politics through philosophy & the natural world to arts & entertainment covered. Today's range of docus/discussions is gobsmackingly impressive - would never happen on a commercial station.
NthQld's timely reminder re the dicussion on Democratic Capitalism is now available to catch up on Sounds I think.
Edit: I think NthQld (& others) would be interested in another on the same theme, 20.30 this evening - 'Analysis' on 'The Death of Globalisation'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001jkm4 [Post edited 27 Feb 2023 10:09]
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| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 10:06 - Feb 27 with 858 views | NthQldITFC |
Thanks for that Ryorry, I'll have a listen to that globalisation one tonight.
btw: I have realised for some time that I have a quite confusing username! It was an attempt to merge my two favourite sporting teams, ITFC and the North Queensland Cowboys (rugby league) into one username.
So I am neither 'Q' nor 'Old', although I am never offended to be called either and always amused!  |  |
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| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 10:13 - Feb 27 with 841 views | Ryorry |
| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 10:06 - Feb 27 by NthQldITFC |
Thanks for that Ryorry, I'll have a listen to that globalisation one tonight.
btw: I have realised for some time that I have a quite confusing username! It was an attempt to merge my two favourite sporting teams, ITFC and the North Queensland Cowboys (rugby league) into one username.
So I am neither 'Q' nor 'Old', although I am never offended to be called either and always amused! |
Sorry, about that  have now edited - I do need new specs for close-up, & was also going on my somewhat rubbish memory! | |
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| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 10:26 - Feb 27 with 822 views | NthQldITFC |
| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 10:13 - Feb 27 by Ryorry |
Sorry, about that have now edited - I do need new specs for close-up, & was also going on my somewhat rubbish memory! |
Haha - no worries, like I say it always amuses me, here and elsewhere.
You edit has now made my post look like a weird rant though, so I am even more amused now. Lovely flowers, cheers.
As you say the democratic capitalism programme is now available. Hopefully it will trickle down to one or two minds. | |
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| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 10:50 - Feb 27 with 797 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’ll give that a listen. I’m a believer in capitalism, albeit regulated, and Governmental intervention were required (not the incompetent privatise profits, nationalise losses model of the Tories - that is cronyism not capitalism). My belief is that commerce requires legislation to keep it check (eg pollution controls, labour laws, greenwashing etc). I don’t believe in deep socialism as I don’t think governments or politicians are inherently any more trustworthy than the private sector - as shown by history. Too much government control leads to authoritarianism be it on the left or the right.
Sorry digressed there - my point being I’d be interested to listens to this as I see very few benefits to globalisation other than ‘cheap stuff to consume’. It’s led to many of the societal issues we see today:
- rapid demographic changes and population growth whic has led to ‘unrest’ and antiestablishmentism such as Brexit and Trump.
- outsourcing of heavy manufacturing and other industries in the West leading to job losses and transition to more unskilled sectors like retail.
- this in turn has led to more consumerism i the West as one of the few ways to promote economic growth. Obviously this is detrimental to the planet due to the waste and carbon cost of manufacturing.
- COVID has expose how weak global supply chains are, and two years later we are still seeing shortages of items and rampant inflation fed by lockdowns in China stifling production. More localised production could have softened this.
- the thought was global trade would lead to less conflict with inter tangled economies and supply chains. Russia’s attack on the Ukraine and an increasingly belligerent China have shown this benefit of globalisation simply doesn’t hold up. |  | | |
| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 10:58 - Feb 27 with 773 views | chicoazul |
| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 10:50 - Feb 27 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’ll give that a listen. I’m a believer in capitalism, albeit regulated, and Governmental intervention were required (not the incompetent privatise profits, nationalise losses model of the Tories - that is cronyism not capitalism). My belief is that commerce requires legislation to keep it check (eg pollution controls, labour laws, greenwashing etc). I don’t believe in deep socialism as I don’t think governments or politicians are inherently any more trustworthy than the private sector - as shown by history. Too much government control leads to authoritarianism be it on the left or the right.
Sorry digressed there - my point being I’d be interested to listens to this as I see very few benefits to globalisation other than ‘cheap stuff to consume’. It’s led to many of the societal issues we see today:
- rapid demographic changes and population growth whic has led to ‘unrest’ and antiestablishmentism such as Brexit and Trump.
- outsourcing of heavy manufacturing and other industries in the West leading to job losses and transition to more unskilled sectors like retail.
- this in turn has led to more consumerism i the West as one of the few ways to promote economic growth. Obviously this is detrimental to the planet due to the waste and carbon cost of manufacturing.
- COVID has expose how weak global supply chains are, and two years later we are still seeing shortages of items and rampant inflation fed by lockdowns in China stifling production. More localised production could have softened this.
- the thought was global trade would lead to less conflict with inter tangled economies and supply chains. Russia’s attack on the Ukraine and an increasingly belligerent China have shown this benefit of globalisation simply doesn’t hold up. |
If commerce does indeed require regulation why would you “believe in capitalism”? Other than to believe capitalists will act in bad faith in pursuit of profits unless prevented from doing so. |  |
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| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 11:30 - Feb 27 with 734 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 10:58 - Feb 27 by chicoazul |
If commerce does indeed require regulation why would you “believe in capitalism”? Other than to believe capitalists will act in bad faith in pursuit of profits unless prevented from doing so. |
EVERYTHING requires regulating and legislation - even governments. Humans are driven by greed whether it is money in the case of business, or politicians in persuit of power (and money in some cases).
I believe in capitalism because it’s increased living standards for millions of people. Look at the progress in eastern and Central Europe since the fall of the iron curtain (subject of my dissertation as it happens). | | | |
| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 11:36 - Feb 27 with 724 views | NthQldITFC |
| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 10:50 - Feb 27 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’ll give that a listen. I’m a believer in capitalism, albeit regulated, and Governmental intervention were required (not the incompetent privatise profits, nationalise losses model of the Tories - that is cronyism not capitalism). My belief is that commerce requires legislation to keep it check (eg pollution controls, labour laws, greenwashing etc). I don’t believe in deep socialism as I don’t think governments or politicians are inherently any more trustworthy than the private sector - as shown by history. Too much government control leads to authoritarianism be it on the left or the right.
Sorry digressed there - my point being I’d be interested to listens to this as I see very few benefits to globalisation other than ‘cheap stuff to consume’. It’s led to many of the societal issues we see today:
- rapid demographic changes and population growth whic has led to ‘unrest’ and antiestablishmentism such as Brexit and Trump.
- outsourcing of heavy manufacturing and other industries in the West leading to job losses and transition to more unskilled sectors like retail.
- this in turn has led to more consumerism i the West as one of the few ways to promote economic growth. Obviously this is detrimental to the planet due to the waste and carbon cost of manufacturing.
- COVID has expose how weak global supply chains are, and two years later we are still seeing shortages of items and rampant inflation fed by lockdowns in China stifling production. More localised production could have softened this.
- the thought was global trade would lead to less conflict with inter tangled economies and supply chains. Russia’s attack on the Ukraine and an increasingly belligerent China have shown this benefit of globalisation simply doesn’t hold up. |
Not a direct comment on your post, but I think the biggest problem is that most of us are looking at ways to maintain the status quo in the face of relatively superficial issues like wars, famines, diseases and disruption to trade.
It should be blindingly obvious that we are right up against the limits (or perhaps way beyond given inertia) of what the world can cope with.
Without absorbing that truth and accepting that growth and the current philosophy is going to kill us, it must be hard to see beyond fiddling around in the capitalist system whilst we burn. | |
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| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 11:49 - Feb 27 with 696 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| R4 schedule today shows why defunding/commercializing the BBC on 11:36 - Feb 27 by NthQldITFC |
Not a direct comment on your post, but I think the biggest problem is that most of us are looking at ways to maintain the status quo in the face of relatively superficial issues like wars, famines, diseases and disruption to trade.
It should be blindingly obvious that we are right up against the limits (or perhaps way beyond given inertia) of what the world can cope with.
Without absorbing that truth and accepting that growth and the current philosophy is going to kill us, it must be hard to see beyond fiddling around in the capitalist system whilst we burn. |
I don’t disagree - politicians don’t think beyond the next electoral cycle.
But to your point the biggest contributor to destruction of our planet is an authoritarian regime which is not “tweaking the capitalist system”.
How do we deal with that. Even if we get to net zero in the UK the planet is doomed. They are a symptom of our drive for globalisation as we’ve simply outsourced much of our pollution. | | | |
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