| Sunak 14:31 - Mar 8 with 1135 views | BlueNomad |
The "grown up" in the Tory Party tries to insult Starmer by calling him "just another lefty lawyer" without reflecting on the fact that he is, in doing so, revealing himself to be "yet another right-wing loon whose policies increasingly align with some of the nastiest regimes in world history."
People say "how did a civilised country like Germany fall for what happened (in the 1930's)?" without irony or reflection that the MAGA brigade in the US and the current miserable crew we have in power here are shifting us in a similar direction. |  | | |  |
| Sunak on 14:55 - Mar 8 with 1050 views | BlueBadger |
I hear that Leaky Sue's brought out a new dice game, where all the dice have only white spots. It's called Nahtzee. |  |
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| Sunak on 15:38 - Mar 8 with 977 views | HARRY10 |
One of the notable differences was the Nazis made a tremendous difference to the economy, and in consequence people's well being. The downsides were accepted/ignored as a minor detail or simply not fully grasped. Those pointing out the dangers were no doubt dismissed as 'unpatriotic'... or even, lefty lawyers.
That the improvements were from a very ow base and were from high borrowing were not that important to the ordinary Hans.
Whereas in the UK the right has taken us even further right as the economy and people's well being has suffered.
Rather than the massive infrastructure undertaken in pre war Germany, the UK has overseen stuff literally falling apart. Be it roads, schools hospitals and the dire shortage of housing.
The Nazis could claim that supporting them would see a better standard of living, whereas all the Tories have to offer is scare stories that the opposition will only make things worse - as if that was possible.
So as with Brexit it is not too difficult to get people to swallow your lies about the future when anything can be claimed, as it is an unknown.
Though there is one similarity
"The English follow the principle that when one lies, it should be a big lie, and one should stick to it.
...the rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious.
Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.
If you tell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth."
Farage, Johnson, Rees-Mogg.... ? |  | | |
| Sunak on 16:03 - Mar 8 with 953 views | DJR |
But it's not just lefty lawyers who are the enemy, it's also the civil service, according to something Braverman sent yesterday to Tory members.
This has rightly been called out by the head of my former union.
How low can they go? |  | | |
| Sunak on 16:32 - Mar 8 with 887 views | Guthrum |
| Sunak on 16:03 - Mar 8 by DJR |
But it's not just lefty lawyers who are the enemy, it's also the civil service, according to something Braverman sent yesterday to Tory members.
This has rightly been called out by the head of my former union.
How low can they go? |
Those who are not for them are against them - including the neutrals.
How long can they go on? Until January 2025 and they're likely to squeeze every last drop out of it. |  |
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| Sunak on 16:44 - Mar 8 with 843 views | HARRY10 |
| Sunak on 16:32 - Mar 8 by Guthrum |
Those who are not for them are against them - including the neutrals.
How long can they go on? Until January 2025 and they're likely to squeeze every last drop out of it. |
I very much doubt it will be Jan 2025
the problem they face is how to conjure up some feeling of well being before calling a GE.
The thought that if you make things so bad (as now) once you stop, people will be grateful and vote for you falls at the first hurdle - Johnson.
Any legislation can simply be overturned by the next government. The cost t people and society in general cannot be so easily remedied.
Think of post war Germany. Those responsible were removed, democracy was slowly re-introduced, but the devastation to that country could not be repaired so quickly.
So much of this country ha suffered under Tory mismanagement. The longer is the delay in removing them the costlier it will be. | | | |
| Sunak on 16:52 - Mar 8 with 837 views | Guthrum |
| Sunak on 16:44 - Mar 8 by HARRY10 |
I very much doubt it will be Jan 2025
the problem they face is how to conjure up some feeling of well being before calling a GE.
The thought that if you make things so bad (as now) once you stop, people will be grateful and vote for you falls at the first hurdle - Johnson.
Any legislation can simply be overturned by the next government. The cost t people and society in general cannot be so easily remedied.
Think of post war Germany. Those responsible were removed, democracy was slowly re-introduced, but the devastation to that country could not be repaired so quickly.
So much of this country ha suffered under Tory mismanagement. The longer is the delay in removing them the costlier it will be. |
The only reason to call an earlier General Election is if they believe they have a good chance of winning. Even if one takes the polls with a large pinch of salt, that doesn't look probable in the near future.
So unless something happens to tip the balance their way, they'll spin it out as long as possible in the hope of a miracle occurring or Labour making a catastrophic mistake. | |
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| Sunak on 16:55 - Mar 8 with 829 views | Ryorry |
| Sunak on 16:03 - Mar 8 by DJR |
But it's not just lefty lawyers who are the enemy, it's also the civil service, according to something Braverman sent yesterday to Tory members.
This has rightly been called out by the head of my former union.
How low can they go? |
Just reveals how short of any legitimate arguments Sunak & the other #ToryCriminalsUnfitToGovern are when they have to resort to such puerile insults 
Also, I see the Home Sec/her office aren't even careful or competent enough to proofread their own letters/emails/documents - "civils servants" (second para). |  |
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| Sunak on 17:05 - Mar 8 with 791 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sunak on 16:52 - Mar 8 by Guthrum |
The only reason to call an earlier General Election is if they believe they have a good chance of winning. Even if one takes the polls with a large pinch of salt, that doesn't look probable in the near future.
So unless something happens to tip the balance their way, they'll spin it out as long as possible in the hope of a miracle occurring or Labour making a catastrophic mistake. |
Or simply to cling on to power for as long as possible. |  |
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| Sunak on 17:15 - Mar 8 with 771 views | HARRY10 |
| Sunak on 16:52 - Mar 8 by Guthrum |
The only reason to call an earlier General Election is if they believe they have a good chance of winning. Even if one takes the polls with a large pinch of salt, that doesn't look probable in the near future.
So unless something happens to tip the balance their way, they'll spin it out as long as possible in the hope of a miracle occurring or Labour making a catastrophic mistake. |
The problem with that is you then lay yourself open to more woes, as Brexit will continue to blight the economy, and will suck in ever more 'victims'.
i don't disagree with your view, if inly when measured against the sheer stupidity of those involved. More sensible heads have been purged from the Parliamentary party.
But they have no gone away, unlike much of the financial support for the Tories. However they have not gone from the Tory party and will be acutely aware of the damage being caused.
One of the mistakes of the major era was to follow the same line. Unfortunately the damage was too deep.
What this Major years allowed was for Labour to move to occupy the centre ground and built relationships with business and the City specifically.
Better for the Tories to bite on the bullet, hand over a completely fcked economy and country, and then set about a rebuilt - while Labour has all the problems that are in the pipeline. | | | |
| Sunak on 17:21 - Mar 8 with 742 views | Ryorry |
| Sunak on 17:05 - Mar 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Or simply to cling on to power for as long as possible. |
Not least to carry on manipulating systems to try & both perpetuate power (introducing ID for voting), protect themselves from prosecution for their (literal) crimes, and overturn regulations that protect others (food & environmental standards) so they can continue adding to their own already enormous personal wealth  | |
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| Sunak on 22:11 - Mar 8 with 529 views | Guthrum |
| Sunak on 17:15 - Mar 8 by HARRY10 |
The problem with that is you then lay yourself open to more woes, as Brexit will continue to blight the economy, and will suck in ever more 'victims'.
i don't disagree with your view, if inly when measured against the sheer stupidity of those involved. More sensible heads have been purged from the Parliamentary party.
But they have no gone away, unlike much of the financial support for the Tories. However they have not gone from the Tory party and will be acutely aware of the damage being caused.
One of the mistakes of the major era was to follow the same line. Unfortunately the damage was too deep.
What this Major years allowed was for Labour to move to occupy the centre ground and built relationships with business and the City specifically.
Better for the Tories to bite on the bullet, hand over a completely fcked economy and country, and then set about a rebuilt - while Labour has all the problems that are in the pipeline. |
The counter to that is that Labour could be in for as much as a decade or more. The current Tory leadership group will all be gone by then, retired or shuffled into irrelevance. Many of them are likely to lose their seats in the next and subsequent elections.
I very much doubt they value the distant future of the Conservative Party over personal ambition. Nobody in any major party is grand ideological in that way any more. So clinging on in the hope of something turning up - or at least to get the most mileage out of being in government - is in their best interest. | |
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