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Monbiot laying into Brand on 18:26 - May 2 by Eireannach_gorm
I think you’ll find Brand’s attack on main stream American media quite interesting given it’s steeped in Tucker’s Fox News departure. It goes some way to acknowledging his comment about “authenticity”, which is neither an endorsement nor a condemnation. You can also see from this why The Guardian and Manbiot are keen to distance themselves from Brand given he’s promoting an anti-mass media rhetoric, which clearly isn’t good for business:
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Monbiot laying into Brand on 08:52 - May 3 with 1221 views
Monbiot laying into Brand on 08:35 - May 3 by ibbleobble
I think you’ll find Brand’s attack on main stream American media quite interesting given it’s steeped in Tucker’s Fox News departure. It goes some way to acknowledging his comment about “authenticity”, which is neither an endorsement nor a condemnation. You can also see from this why The Guardian and Manbiot are keen to distance themselves from Brand given he’s promoting an anti-mass media rhetoric, which clearly isn’t good for business:
Although the Guardian does "serve in our awakening", as Brand would put it, with some exceptional educational content. The argument that Monbiot's association with mass media through the Guardian in some way makes him a servant of the establishment also doesn't make much sense given he's been taking on authority and big business for years, and has been arrested for it.
Monbiot laying into Brand on 16:17 - May 2 by ibbleobble
I’ve only had time to watch this one video but I don’t see where the conjecture is with this. If our private medical data is centralised and is turned over to for profit companies, of course it’ll be used to sell, exclude or marginalise if an economically viable opportunity presents itself.
We’re working on a piece of primary research at the moment to determine what health inclusivity means. However, that work is sponsored by a company who’s primary goal is to sell product. If they had access to a central repository of healthcare data, would shareholders ignore it when they could capitalise on it? No they wouldn’t.
Like or dislike Brand. It’s worth him making the public aware of the dangers of giving up personal data - not that he provides a good alternative argument for how regulation should and could maintain personal liberties and freedoms.
My original post (from months ago now) was more with regards to his pushing of anti-vaccine rhetoric, "natural" immunity and horse based medicines which did nothing for covid.
He was also pushing the "Great Reset" conspiracy theory and some other stuff deeply rooted in right-wing tropes.
He's all over the place, you say enough rubbish, some of it might turn out to be true. The rest of it is just poisoning the well.
SB
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Monbiot laying into Brand on 09:22 - May 3 with 1177 views
Monbiot laying into Brand on 08:52 - May 3 by StokieBlue
My original post (from months ago now) was more with regards to his pushing of anti-vaccine rhetoric, "natural" immunity and horse based medicines which did nothing for covid.
He was also pushing the "Great Reset" conspiracy theory and some other stuff deeply rooted in right-wing tropes.
He's all over the place, you say enough rubbish, some of it might turn out to be true. The rest of it is just poisoning the well.
SB
[Post edited 3 May 2023 8:54]
Hang on Stokie, surely you're not referring to Ivermectin when you say '... horse based medicines'? That it is not, as I'm sure you know. A simple Google tells you it isn't and that it appears on the WHO list of essential medicines.
Monbiot laying into Brand on 09:22 - May 3 by urbanblue
Hang on Stokie, surely you're not referring to Ivermectin when you say '... horse based medicines'? That it is not, as I'm sure you know. A simple Google tells you it isn't and that it appears on the WHO list of essential medicines.
It can be used in humans when it's actually prescribed for very particular diseases but that was not how it was being used. People were buying it from farm supply shops to treat COVID despite there being very little evidence that it was effective.
As for the Great Reset, there are related conspiracy theories.
Monbiot laying into Brand on 09:22 - May 3 by urbanblue
Hang on Stokie, surely you're not referring to Ivermectin when you say '... horse based medicines'? That it is not, as I'm sure you know. A simple Google tells you it isn't and that it appears on the WHO list of essential medicines.
It's a medicine that does absolutely nothing for covid which he was promoting ahead of vaccine use. People know it as a horse medicine so it's the easiest reference point. Are you claiming it that it has any basis in science as a covid treatement?
The Great Reset he is pushing is the evolution of the one you've cited into a conspiracy theory, it's one where Bill Gates and other such characters are redesigning the world as he deems fit:
"Among the most popular posts are baseless statements that the Great Reset is a strategic part of a grand conspiracy by the global elite, who somehow planned and managed the Covid-19 pandemic.
In this narrative, lockdown restrictions were introduced not to curb the spread of the virus, but to deliberately bring about economic collapse and a socialist world government, albeit run for the benefit of powerful capitalists."
I believe he only started talking about it after it had been hijacked into the context above.
SB
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Monbiot laying into Brand on 09:45 - May 3 with 1131 views
Monbiot laying into Brand on 09:28 - May 3 by StokieBlue
It's a medicine that does absolutely nothing for covid which he was promoting ahead of vaccine use. People know it as a horse medicine so it's the easiest reference point. Are you claiming it that it has any basis in science as a covid treatement?
The Great Reset he is pushing is the evolution of the one you've cited into a conspiracy theory, it's one where Bill Gates and other such characters are redesigning the world as he deems fit:
"Among the most popular posts are baseless statements that the Great Reset is a strategic part of a grand conspiracy by the global elite, who somehow planned and managed the Covid-19 pandemic.
In this narrative, lockdown restrictions were introduced not to curb the spread of the virus, but to deliberately bring about economic collapse and a socialist world government, albeit run for the benefit of powerful capitalists."
I believe he only started talking about it after it had been hijacked into the context above.
SB
[Post edited 3 May 2023 9:29]
Where have I said anything about it being a Covid Treatment?? Please don't presume and try and put words into my mouth. It is not a Covid Treatment. I was just pointing out that what you described it as was factually incorrect. With your reputation for knowledge on here I was surprised and disappointed because the board respects you.
It is only referred to as Horse Paste because the media (and now you) have decided to call it that to rubbish and denigrate those who may consider using it.
With all due respect, you were factually incorrect.
As for The Great Reset I have never heard any association with Bill Gates. From my reading there are some aspects within the WEF ideas that some find concerning. In my view here is no problem with debate around those issues.
Your perspective may be that there is no problem with all that is being proposed but there are many who feel uncomfortable with some aspects which is fair enough.
Monbiot laying into Brand on 09:45 - May 3 by urbanblue
Where have I said anything about it being a Covid Treatment?? Please don't presume and try and put words into my mouth. It is not a Covid Treatment. I was just pointing out that what you described it as was factually incorrect. With your reputation for knowledge on here I was surprised and disappointed because the board respects you.
It is only referred to as Horse Paste because the media (and now you) have decided to call it that to rubbish and denigrate those who may consider using it.
With all due respect, you were factually incorrect.
As for The Great Reset I have never heard any association with Bill Gates. From my reading there are some aspects within the WEF ideas that some find concerning. In my view here is no problem with debate around those issues.
Your perspective may be that there is no problem with all that is being proposed but there are many who feel uncomfortable with some aspects which is fair enough.
"It is only referred to as Horse Paste because the media (and now you) have decided to call it that to rubbish and denigrate those who may consider using it."
Why would anyone consider using it in the context I have given which is as a covid treatment? It's right to rubbish and denigrate it in that context, especially in the further context that Brand was pushing it as an alternative to vaccination.
Perhaps it's churlish to refer to it as a horse medicine but in this context that's what people know.
"As for The Great Reset I have never heard any association with Bill Gates. From my reading there are some aspects within the WEF ideas that some find concerning. In my view here is no problem with debate around those issues."
I've given you a link outlining it's association to conspiracy theories and the elites and that was how Brand was referring to it. You are correct with the association directly to Bill Gates and I should have been clearer it was the "elites". Brand however has pushed conspiracy theories involving Bill Gates.
Not entirely sure what you are trying to achieve when you ignore the context of Brand and his usage of the information in your responses given that is what is being discussed.
SB
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Monbiot laying into Brand on 10:15 - May 3 with 1052 views
Monbiot laying into Brand on 09:57 - May 3 by StokieBlue
"It is only referred to as Horse Paste because the media (and now you) have decided to call it that to rubbish and denigrate those who may consider using it."
Why would anyone consider using it in the context I have given which is as a covid treatment? It's right to rubbish and denigrate it in that context, especially in the further context that Brand was pushing it as an alternative to vaccination.
Perhaps it's churlish to refer to it as a horse medicine but in this context that's what people know.
"As for The Great Reset I have never heard any association with Bill Gates. From my reading there are some aspects within the WEF ideas that some find concerning. In my view here is no problem with debate around those issues."
I've given you a link outlining it's association to conspiracy theories and the elites and that was how Brand was referring to it. You are correct with the association directly to Bill Gates and I should have been clearer it was the "elites". Brand however has pushed conspiracy theories involving Bill Gates.
Not entirely sure what you are trying to achieve when you ignore the context of Brand and his usage of the information in your responses given that is what is being discussed.
SB
[Post edited 3 May 2023 9:58]
I wasn't trying to achieve anything other then to point out factually incorrect information that you supplied. I get frustrated when either side of any debate use smoke and mirrors and twist facts to support their narrative.
I'm sorry but I can't accept an article published by the BBC as evidence of anything ...
Anyway, let's leave it there and continue to wallow in the warm glow of Championship football next year eh
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Monbiot laying into Brand on 11:01 - May 3 with 982 views
Monbiot laying into Brand on 10:15 - May 3 by urbanblue
I wasn't trying to achieve anything other then to point out factually incorrect information that you supplied. I get frustrated when either side of any debate use smoke and mirrors and twist facts to support their narrative.
I'm sorry but I can't accept an article published by the BBC as evidence of anything ...
Anyway, let's leave it there and continue to wallow in the warm glow of Championship football next year eh
One final point if you'll indulge me:
Isn't dismissing an article due to the source rather than the content is no better than "twisting facts to support a narrative?
Especially given the article was specifically from the fact-checking arm of the organisation.
We can certainly leave it there and enjoy the promotion.
SB
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Monbiot laying into Brand on 14:20 - May 3 with 887 views
Monbiot laying into Brand on 08:52 - May 3 by Swansea_Blue
Although the Guardian does "serve in our awakening", as Brand would put it, with some exceptional educational content. The argument that Monbiot's association with mass media through the Guardian in some way makes him a servant of the establishment also doesn't make much sense given he's been taking on authority and big business for years, and has been arrested for it.
Monbiot has never struck me as that. I guess it’s a case of not biting the hand that feeds you. This article was clearly intended to put as much distance as possible between himself and Brand though. We can only guess at the reason.
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