| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) 14:13 - Mar 27 with 3169 views | Keno |
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 07:51 - Mar 28 with 779 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 07:43 - Mar 28 by DJR |
Just as well England hasn't followed the unprogressive policies of the SNP such as no tuition fees, free personal and nursing care, free prescriptions, gender recognition, free period products, free dental care for under-26s, bridge tolls scrapped, no NHS parking charges, a higher rate of tax for high earners, ending of the right to buy.
Of course, the choice of current candidates may not be perfect, but Salmond and Sturgeon were a hard act to follow, and there is no suggestion Yousaf is any less progressive than Sturgeon. [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 7:58]
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The residents of Scotland send big thanks to the English tax payers for all you have mentioned. |  |
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 07:53 - Mar 28 with 800 views | DJR |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 17:44 - Mar 27 by BlueBadger |
Who'd have thought that an independence movement built around shallow nationalism and fantasy economics would turn out to be a bit lame! [Post edited 27 Mar 2023 19:59]
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Do you not realise that Scotland was once an independent nation?
It clearly benefited from joining the Union in 1707, but it is questionable how much it has benefited since 1979, so discussion of its place in the union seems to me to be perfectly valid. After all had it been independent in the 1980s it could have built up a sovereign wealth fund, rather than North Sea oil revenues being squandered to meet the costs of Thatchersim.
And just look at how successful a small, English-speaking country, Ireland, has been in attracting US multinationals.
Or do people think that the desire for Scottish independence is not as a worthy as, say, the desire for Irish, Jamaican or Georgian independence? [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 7:56]
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 08:04 - Mar 28 with 760 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 07:53 - Mar 28 by DJR |
Do you not realise that Scotland was once an independent nation?
It clearly benefited from joining the Union in 1707, but it is questionable how much it has benefited since 1979, so discussion of its place in the union seems to me to be perfectly valid. After all had it been independent in the 1980s it could have built up a sovereign wealth fund, rather than North Sea oil revenues being squandered to meet the costs of Thatchersim.
And just look at how successful a small, English-speaking country, Ireland, has been in attracting US multinationals.
Or do people think that the desire for Scottish independence is not as a worthy as, say, the desire for Irish, Jamaican or Georgian independence? [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 7:56]
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“And just look at how successful a small, English-speaking country, Ireland, has been in attracting US multinationals.”
Must be the Guiness and the weather and nothing to do with being a tax-haven.
Ireland is extensively used in my industry to move capital to a more ‘tax efficient’ environment. As a socialist I’m surprised you’d want Scotland doing the same and lowering the tax base in England/RUK. Ireland’s model is a race to the bottom. |  | | |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 10:09 - Mar 28 with 717 views | DJR |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 08:04 - Mar 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“And just look at how successful a small, English-speaking country, Ireland, has been in attracting US multinationals.”
Must be the Guiness and the weather and nothing to do with being a tax-haven.
Ireland is extensively used in my industry to move capital to a more ‘tax efficient’ environment. As a socialist I’m surprised you’d want Scotland doing the same and lowering the tax base in England/RUK. Ireland’s model is a race to the bottom. |
There clearly are aspects of the Irish Republic which it would be best not to follow: for example, I don't think it has a free health service. But it does strike me there would be advantages to being another English-speaking nation in the EU, now that the largest one has left, without engaging in a race to the bottom.
Anyway, if the Tories had their way, we'd have much lower corporate tax rates in the UK, and who knows what Starmer might mimic now that he has said Labour is more pro-business than the Tories. [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 10:25]
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 10:34 - Mar 28 with 708 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 10:09 - Mar 28 by DJR |
There clearly are aspects of the Irish Republic which it would be best not to follow: for example, I don't think it has a free health service. But it does strike me there would be advantages to being another English-speaking nation in the EU, now that the largest one has left, without engaging in a race to the bottom.
Anyway, if the Tories had their way, we'd have much lower corporate tax rates in the UK, and who knows what Starmer might mimic now that he has said Labour is more pro-business than the Tories. [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 10:25]
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I’m not one for defending the Tories - but they’ve just raised corporation tax significantly, and of course have the majority to push through lower taxes.
Even if Starmer were to lower them in power it seems highly unlikely it would be anywhere near the 12.5pc in Ireland. Unfortunately, with a tax haven offshore (along with the likes of Bermuda and the Caymans) we do have to be competitive on taxing Corporations. Worth noting Ireland were amongst the biggest critics of Biden’s Global Minimum Tax rate (which at 15pc is too low, but at least a start). [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 10:36]
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 10:37 - Mar 28 with 692 views | Keno |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 10:09 - Mar 28 by DJR |
There clearly are aspects of the Irish Republic which it would be best not to follow: for example, I don't think it has a free health service. But it does strike me there would be advantages to being another English-speaking nation in the EU, now that the largest one has left, without engaging in a race to the bottom.
Anyway, if the Tories had their way, we'd have much lower corporate tax rates in the UK, and who knows what Starmer might mimic now that he has said Labour is more pro-business than the Tories. [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 10:25]
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" I don't think it has a free health service"
The UK health service isnt free, we pay for it via national insurance contributions [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 10:38]
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 10:41 - Mar 28 with 662 views | DJR |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 10:34 - Mar 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’m not one for defending the Tories - but they’ve just raised corporation tax significantly, and of course have the majority to push through lower taxes.
Even if Starmer were to lower them in power it seems highly unlikely it would be anywhere near the 12.5pc in Ireland. Unfortunately, with a tax haven offshore (along with the likes of Bermuda and the Caymans) we do have to be competitive on taxing Corporations. Worth noting Ireland were amongst the biggest critics of Biden’s Global Minimum Tax rate (which at 15pc is too low, but at least a start). [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 10:36]
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I think the UK with its accountants, dodgy money and tax havens can teach Ireland a thing or two.
Anyway, the SNP government has been a lot more progressive than both Labour and the Tories, so I would like to think it would act responsibly in this area, but it would undoubtedly have to attract investment.
EDIT: I'm getting ahead of myself. It may be that Scotland will never become independent, but I can't see it happening until people of my mother's generation and slightly younger are no longer with us. [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 10:46]
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 10:55 - Mar 28 with 627 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 10:41 - Mar 28 by DJR |
I think the UK with its accountants, dodgy money and tax havens can teach Ireland a thing or two.
Anyway, the SNP government has been a lot more progressive than both Labour and the Tories, so I would like to think it would act responsibly in this area, but it would undoubtedly have to attract investment.
EDIT: I'm getting ahead of myself. It may be that Scotland will never become independent, but I can't see it happening until people of my mother's generation and slightly younger are no longer with us. [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 10:46]
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“ think the UK with its accountants, dodgy money and tax havens can teach Ireland a thing or two.“
Okay I can see that you don’t have an objective view on this so I’ll leave it there. But I can tell you that as (from you posting history) someone who wants companies to pay their way, and a fair society, Ireland is detrimental in that regard.
There is little point trying to close loopholes as firms will find a new one in months as Trump found with Bermuda. We need nations such as Ireland and Bermuda to step up and agree to sensible minimum taxation otherwise the race to the bottom continues. | | | |
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 11:11 - Mar 28 with 590 views | MattinLondon |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 10:55 - Mar 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ think the UK with its accountants, dodgy money and tax havens can teach Ireland a thing or two.“
Okay I can see that you don’t have an objective view on this so I’ll leave it there. But I can tell you that as (from you posting history) someone who wants companies to pay their way, and a fair society, Ireland is detrimental in that regard.
There is little point trying to close loopholes as firms will find a new one in months as Trump found with Bermuda. We need nations such as Ireland and Bermuda to step up and agree to sensible minimum taxation otherwise the race to the bottom continues. |
Keeping it focused on this country, if there was a will from government then taxation laws will be simplified and loopholes closed. The fact that this hasn’t happened proves to me that MPs don’t want this to happen. They, or their mates or backers don’t want this to happen.
Sure, every now and then some token steps are taken but nothing seems to make tax avoidance almost impossible. I can only conclude that all other countries are the same. |  | | |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 11:15 - Mar 28 with 585 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 11:11 - Mar 28 by MattinLondon |
Keeping it focused on this country, if there was a will from government then taxation laws will be simplified and loopholes closed. The fact that this hasn’t happened proves to me that MPs don’t want this to happen. They, or their mates or backers don’t want this to happen.
Sure, every now and then some token steps are taken but nothing seems to make tax avoidance almost impossible. I can only conclude that all other countries are the same. |
I can tell you there is little point to it - there are loads of legitimate mechanisms by which capital/profits can be moved offshore. And new ones can be found very quickly per the example I gave, lawmakers will be chasing their tail. It will be the same when Labour take charge.
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 11:19 - Mar 28 with 570 views | MattinLondon |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 11:15 - Mar 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I can tell you there is little point to it - there are loads of legitimate mechanisms by which capital/profits can be moved offshore. And new ones can be found very quickly per the example I gave, lawmakers will be chasing their tail. It will be the same when Labour take charge.
The only way to tackle it is global cooperation. |
Maybe the only way to do it will be an organisation like the EU to all agree on policy etc and then applying pressure on smaller countries to amend their legislation in return for other financial favours.
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 12:24 - Mar 28 with 507 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 10:37 - Mar 28 by Keno |
" I don't think it has a free health service"
The UK health service isnt free, we pay for it via national insurance contributions [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 10:38]
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It's free at the point of use in the UK. In Ireland you have to pay between 45 and 65 Euro just to see a GP. You also have top pay for blood tests, scans etc. | |
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 12:28 - Mar 28 with 508 views | Keno |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 12:24 - Mar 28 by GlasgowBlue |
It's free at the point of use in the UK. In Ireland you have to pay between 45 and 65 Euro just to see a GP. You also have top pay for blood tests, scans etc. |
its free at the point of use but that ability to be free at the point of use is funded via NI costs and taxation
You dont get ought for nought, well unless you are a friend/relative of a Tory or the DUP being brided | |
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 12:34 - Mar 28 with 490 views | leitrimblue |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 12:28 - Mar 28 by Keno |
its free at the point of use but that ability to be free at the point of use is funded via NI costs and taxation
You dont get ought for nought, well unless you are a friend/relative of a Tory or the DUP being brided |
It's free in Ireland for kids, those on benefits, pensioners, low earners etc. |  | | |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 12:48 - Mar 28 with 450 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 12:28 - Mar 28 by Keno |
its free at the point of use but that ability to be free at the point of use is funded via NI costs and taxation
You dont get ought for nought, well unless you are a friend/relative of a Tory or the DUP being brided |
In that case we’d be as well going with the Dutch system of fund editing through mandatory health insurance. Scrap the Portia on of taxation that goes into the NHS. | |
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 17:41 - Mar 28 with 397 views | DJR |
| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 10:55 - Mar 28 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ think the UK with its accountants, dodgy money and tax havens can teach Ireland a thing or two.“
Okay I can see that you don’t have an objective view on this so I’ll leave it there. But I can tell you that as (from you posting history) someone who wants companies to pay their way, and a fair society, Ireland is detrimental in that regard.
There is little point trying to close loopholes as firms will find a new one in months as Trump found with Bermuda. We need nations such as Ireland and Bermuda to step up and agree to sensible minimum taxation otherwise the race to the bottom continues. |
The following (in my post) was my objective view.
"Anyway, the SNP government has been a lot more progressive than both Labour and the Tories, so I would like to think it would act responsibly in this area,".
I am sure Scotland would also be in the EU, which would make it impossible to become Singapore on Thames (or Forth). [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 17:50]
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| So the Jocks pick Useless then (n/t) on 19:20 - Mar 28 with 357 views | GlasgowBlue |
Well that's party unity out of the window then.
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