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OK,fellow cinephiles ...I'm not going to cos-play but I am considering doing the two on the same day ...but my question is..in which order ? Barbie originally was seen as the light fun froth but seems to have a bit more about it now which ok doesn't perhaps put it on the same cerebal or intense level of Oppenheimer but does make it more tricky to decide which one should be the starter and which the dessert ... thoughts ?
Alsooooooo ...I have only watched the first mission impossible when it first came out...do i NEED to watch the rest to watch this new one or is it James Bond like in that they are all stand alone with no real arc ?
Oppenheimer is an hour longer so I would be watching that first, I also think Barbie could be a love it/ hate it sort of film and doing that second won't potentially put you in a bad mood for the second film.
While you're probably more or less right saying the MI films are stand-alone, there are the odd references here and there back to previous entries, especially around Hunt's personal circumstances so ideally watch the others first (maybe skip 2, it's easily the weakest), but definitely not essential to. The Craig Bonds had a lot more of a thread through them than MI generally; but pre-Craig's Bond, you're right, continuity-wise I would compare MI to Bond.
On the subject of follow on films I refuse to watch any of 'Final Destination' because if the first one was the final destination how can there be a final destination 2 etc. and they make it obvious that the first one was not the final destination anyway.
[edit] Follow on films ? Sequels, I mean sequels. Too early in the morning. I'll have another little kip before I start on my screenplay for Jonathan Livingston Sequel.
One is an airbrushed celebration of mass murder that will not mention the chilling reality behind the atom bomb development programme - using civilians as a test bed for two different theories of atomic weaponry. In rather a rush before Russia could enter the war against an already devastated Japan. It is a genuinely interesting story of a seminal moment in human history that lends itself to cinema.
The other is an overhyped load of mindless trash built loosely around a toy for commercial purposes.
Tough choice - though Margot Robbie is not in Oppenheimer
One is an airbrushed celebration of mass murder that will not mention the chilling reality behind the atom bomb development programme - using civilians as a test bed for two different theories of atomic weaponry. In rather a rush before Russia could enter the war against an already devastated Japan. It is a genuinely interesting story of a seminal moment in human history that lends itself to cinema.
The other is an overhyped load of mindless trash built loosely around a toy for commercial purposes.
Tough choice - though Margot Robbie is not in Oppenheimer
Have you seen Oppenheimer already? Just wondering why you think it's airbrushing things (genuine question as I want to watch it).
Oppenheimer as a rich, fulfilling meal, Barbie as a sugary, sweet dessert.
Just go and see Mission Impossible, preferably on the biggest screen possible. There are a few light bits of exposition via flashback, but it only really serves to give you a loose understanding of motive anyway. Excellent action film.
One is an airbrushed celebration of mass murder that will not mention the chilling reality behind the atom bomb development programme - using civilians as a test bed for two different theories of atomic weaponry. In rather a rush before Russia could enter the war against an already devastated Japan. It is a genuinely interesting story of a seminal moment in human history that lends itself to cinema.
The other is an overhyped load of mindless trash built loosely around a toy for commercial purposes.
Tough choice - though Margot Robbie is not in Oppenheimer
The Soviet Union (as Russia then was) had already entered the war, the issue for the United States was that the Soviets were advancing into the Korean peninsula. The issue for Japan was that the Soviets were advancing into the Korean peninsula. So if both the United States and Japan had the same concern why did the former drop two atomic bombs on the latter ?
Have you seen Oppenheimer already? Just wondering why you think it's airbrushing things (genuine question as I want to watch it).
The atom bomb development programme was years late in development for a variety of reasons. As the end of the war loomed large the Americans still hadn’t decided on which way to go and elected to try out two different atom-splitting methods on Japanese civilians in something of a hurry before the Japanese surrendered - and before Russia could invade Japan.
I doubt for example that the film mentions the sweepstake the los alamos scientists had on the destructive power of the totally untested Nagasaki bomb. Punts ranged from it ain’t going to work to 1000x more effective than the Hiroshima bomb This from the people who actually made it.
I doubt also they’ll mention that the first atom-splitting venture in this journey were done in a lab in the suburbs of a major U.S. city.
I doubt they’ll mention the one and only film they made of the one and only los alamos test burned in the projector, so they didn’t bother to tell most of the Enola Gay crew what they were being tasked to do. - though they must have had their suspicions when the bomb was only armed in flight As it turned out both bombs were more or less the same power, though the Nagasaki bomb was only 1% efficient
I doubt also they’ll mention that five Japanese cities were reserved for nuclear bomb testing for the duration of the entire war - based on size and surrounding hills to maximise damage. This resulted in a disproportionate number of hospitals in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Some lucky survivors of the Hiroshima bomb were sent on hospital trains to Nagasaki to be there in time to be on the receiving end of a second nuclear explosion.
Needless to say the survivors of both blasts were studied quite intensively. Those that weren’t vaporised or condemned to die of appalling injuries and/or radiation sickness lived longer than average lives.
Although horrific and cynical the atom bomb development programme was nowhere near as ghastly or deadly as the US napalm raids on defenceless civilians. Tokyo for example had a population density of 100,000 per square mile and a B-29 bomber held a thousand napalm bomblets each capable of squirting out 100 yards on inextinguishable flame 12 square miles were incinerated in a firestorm so intense that rivers boiled and when the B-29s returned the next night the crews had to wear oxygen masks to stop vomiting from the smell of burning flesh one mile up in the sky - and the updraft knocked several planes out of the sky. If you do the maths quite a few people died in those two nights - though the true horror was suppressed - the Japanese didn’t want their people to know what was coming their way and the Americans soon had war crimes to pursue at Nuremberg- and atom bombs to drop. Even going by the official figures the lives lost in Tokyo were less than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.
The main purpose of the atom bomb was PR - and in many ways it worked - though the population of remote pacific atolls and dusty bits of Australia might disagree as the French and Brits used their land as testing grounds to catch up
The atom bomb development programme was years late in development for a variety of reasons. As the end of the war loomed large the Americans still hadn’t decided on which way to go and elected to try out two different atom-splitting methods on Japanese civilians in something of a hurry before the Japanese surrendered - and before Russia could invade Japan.
I doubt for example that the film mentions the sweepstake the los alamos scientists had on the destructive power of the totally untested Nagasaki bomb. Punts ranged from it ain’t going to work to 1000x more effective than the Hiroshima bomb This from the people who actually made it.
I doubt also they’ll mention that the first atom-splitting venture in this journey were done in a lab in the suburbs of a major U.S. city.
I doubt they’ll mention the one and only film they made of the one and only los alamos test burned in the projector, so they didn’t bother to tell most of the Enola Gay crew what they were being tasked to do. - though they must have had their suspicions when the bomb was only armed in flight As it turned out both bombs were more or less the same power, though the Nagasaki bomb was only 1% efficient
I doubt also they’ll mention that five Japanese cities were reserved for nuclear bomb testing for the duration of the entire war - based on size and surrounding hills to maximise damage. This resulted in a disproportionate number of hospitals in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Some lucky survivors of the Hiroshima bomb were sent on hospital trains to Nagasaki to be there in time to be on the receiving end of a second nuclear explosion.
Needless to say the survivors of both blasts were studied quite intensively. Those that weren’t vaporised or condemned to die of appalling injuries and/or radiation sickness lived longer than average lives.
Although horrific and cynical the atom bomb development programme was nowhere near as ghastly or deadly as the US napalm raids on defenceless civilians. Tokyo for example had a population density of 100,000 per square mile and a B-29 bomber held a thousand napalm bomblets each capable of squirting out 100 yards on inextinguishable flame 12 square miles were incinerated in a firestorm so intense that rivers boiled and when the B-29s returned the next night the crews had to wear oxygen masks to stop vomiting from the smell of burning flesh one mile up in the sky - and the updraft knocked several planes out of the sky. If you do the maths quite a few people died in those two nights - though the true horror was suppressed - the Japanese didn’t want their people to know what was coming their way and the Americans soon had war crimes to pursue at Nuremberg- and atom bombs to drop. Even going by the official figures the lives lost in Tokyo were less than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.
The main purpose of the atom bomb was PR - and in many ways it worked - though the population of remote pacific atolls and dusty bits of Australia might disagree as the French and Brits used their land as testing grounds to catch up
'Punts ranged from it ain’t going to work to 1000x more effective than the Hiroshima bomb'
'The main purpose of the atom bomb was PR'
There is an element of incongruity between your two statements there.
The atom bomb development programme was years late in development for a variety of reasons. As the end of the war loomed large the Americans still hadn’t decided on which way to go and elected to try out two different atom-splitting methods on Japanese civilians in something of a hurry before the Japanese surrendered - and before Russia could invade Japan.
I doubt for example that the film mentions the sweepstake the los alamos scientists had on the destructive power of the totally untested Nagasaki bomb. Punts ranged from it ain’t going to work to 1000x more effective than the Hiroshima bomb This from the people who actually made it.
I doubt also they’ll mention that the first atom-splitting venture in this journey were done in a lab in the suburbs of a major U.S. city.
I doubt they’ll mention the one and only film they made of the one and only los alamos test burned in the projector, so they didn’t bother to tell most of the Enola Gay crew what they were being tasked to do. - though they must have had their suspicions when the bomb was only armed in flight As it turned out both bombs were more or less the same power, though the Nagasaki bomb was only 1% efficient
I doubt also they’ll mention that five Japanese cities were reserved for nuclear bomb testing for the duration of the entire war - based on size and surrounding hills to maximise damage. This resulted in a disproportionate number of hospitals in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Some lucky survivors of the Hiroshima bomb were sent on hospital trains to Nagasaki to be there in time to be on the receiving end of a second nuclear explosion.
Needless to say the survivors of both blasts were studied quite intensively. Those that weren’t vaporised or condemned to die of appalling injuries and/or radiation sickness lived longer than average lives.
Although horrific and cynical the atom bomb development programme was nowhere near as ghastly or deadly as the US napalm raids on defenceless civilians. Tokyo for example had a population density of 100,000 per square mile and a B-29 bomber held a thousand napalm bomblets each capable of squirting out 100 yards on inextinguishable flame 12 square miles were incinerated in a firestorm so intense that rivers boiled and when the B-29s returned the next night the crews had to wear oxygen masks to stop vomiting from the smell of burning flesh one mile up in the sky - and the updraft knocked several planes out of the sky. If you do the maths quite a few people died in those two nights - though the true horror was suppressed - the Japanese didn’t want their people to know what was coming their way and the Americans soon had war crimes to pursue at Nuremberg- and atom bombs to drop. Even going by the official figures the lives lost in Tokyo were less than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.
The main purpose of the atom bomb was PR - and in many ways it worked - though the population of remote pacific atolls and dusty bits of Australia might disagree as the French and Brits used their land as testing grounds to catch up
It seems we have come to our senses and decided to split them.. (much like the atom..bdum tish) as Oppenheimer feels like something to be savoured and digested alone. So next Saturday it'll be Barbie or Oppy and then the Sunday the other.
I got the feeling re'Bond that the Craig ones are more of an arc,although I still have not seen the final 3 of his...which i think are even more arcy....So HBO max won't have me watching the previous MIA films in your opinions...cheers guys.
and just a trivial perhaps silly comment on a very interesting conversation .. I am sure I read once that Kyoto was on the list but got bumped off it as a US general had enjoyed his honeymoon there....so much to say just on that in regards to life...or death in this case.
It seems we have come to our senses and decided to split them.. (much like the atom..bdum tish) as Oppenheimer feels like something to be savoured and digested alone. So next Saturday it'll be Barbie or Oppy and then the Sunday the other.
I got the feeling re'Bond that the Craig ones are more of an arc,although I still have not seen the final 3 of his...which i think are even more arcy....So HBO max won't have me watching the previous MIA films in your opinions...cheers guys.
and just a trivial perhaps silly comment on a very interesting conversation .. I am sure I read once that Kyoto was on the list but got bumped off it as a US general had enjoyed his honeymoon there....so much to say just on that in regards to life...or death in this case.
[Post edited 15 Jul 2023 14:52]
The General you refer to was actually the United States Secretary of War during World War Two - Henry Lewis Stimson. He argued successfully for Kyoto to be taken off the list of possible targets because of the cultural heritage of the city.
Soooo,not that I expect anyone to be interested but to tidy up my thread/query .. the result ended up with me watching Barbie today and 23 hours later Oppy .. I am dressing up as "Ben" for Barbie with my Wife,daughter and sister'in'law for audience fun and a big sexxxxxy screen all on my own with no distractions for Oppy.
That's how it all shook out in the end...accident rather than by design,but fathers can't be choosers.
Soooo,not that I expect anyone to be interested but to tidy up my thread/query .. the result ended up with me watching Barbie today and 23 hours later Oppy .. I am dressing up as "Ben" for Barbie with my Wife,daughter and sister'in'law for audience fun and a big sexxxxxy screen all on my own with no distractions for Oppy.
That's how it all shook out in the end...accident rather than by design,but fathers can't be choosers.
[Post edited 23 Jul 2023 7:58]
The very fact that there is a Barbie film in 2023 says all that is required about modern society and cinema.
Soooo,not that I expect anyone to be interested but to tidy up my thread/query .. the result ended up with me watching Barbie today and 23 hours later Oppy .. I am dressing up as "Ben" for Barbie with my Wife,daughter and sister'in'law for audience fun and a big sexxxxxy screen all on my own with no distractions for Oppy.
That's how it all shook out in the end...accident rather than by design,but fathers can't be choosers.
[Post edited 23 Jul 2023 7:58]
I haven't seen the Hollywood 'Oppenheimer' yet (and probably won't until it comes on the telly) but I did watch this documentary a few years ago and it has just come back on the 'Storyville' thread:
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