| Oh my word …. 21:51 - Sep 19 with 8497 views | ArnieM |
What an absolutely brilliant team performance. Special mention to Wes Burns who I thought was excellent tonight snd young Hutchinson: he’s a lovely talent . Excellent defensive performance throughout ( thought we were going to get out second half tbh .
COYBs
3k Town fans there tonight : just bloody awesome 👍👍👍👍🥳🥳🥳🥳
Edit: meant to say…. I just LOVED Sam Morsy’s up up up of arms towards Town fans in that last minute down in that corner: saints players were fuming lol ! [Post edited 19 Sep 2023 22:02]
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| Oh my word …. on 11:14 - Sep 20 with 1272 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Oh my word …. on 11:12 - Sep 20 by _clive_baker_ |
The most surprising thing about this thread is people are seemingly still shocked when Frimmers shows himself up to be utterly clueless and not understand football.
Burns was absolutely exceptional out of possession last night. Unreal shift for 100 minutes. When you're playing away at Southampton you need to recognise you're probably going to have to be if you want to win. Its a different remit, it's not Morecambe at home where its a case of 80% possession and how many times can Burns get to the byline and cut back. |
I look forward to seeing the post where I don't say he put a shift in. |  |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 11:15 - Sep 20 with 1264 views | StokieBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 11:05 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Not really, I don't watch enough of other sides to know who plays the unique role that wes does. If i were to give you a random name, you'd turn it and say he doesn't play the role anyway.
It's quite straightforward tbh SB only you are making a meal out of it all, not sure what other evidence you want. I think he should score more, i've shown his goal scoring stats over a time period, which I think is fair as it includes both time in league 1 and the championship.
You're counter argument and counter evidence is going back further months to find when he had a purple patch and then present that as your evidence to support your view.
Anyone can twist things to suit as shown here by both of us to defend our own positions.
We will have to agree to disagree on this as you clearly feel goalscoring isnt an important part of his role, i disagree but there you go. |
You're disingenuous in every post now and not worth anymore time.
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 11:15 - Sep 20 with 1254 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 11:15 - Sep 20 by StokieBlue |
You're disingenuous in every post now and not worth anymore time.
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Are you sure, you said the same about 30 minutes ago. | |
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| Oh my word …. on 11:19 - Sep 20 with 1249 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Oh my word …. on 11:14 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
I look forward to seeing the post where I don't say he put a shift in. |
You've been saying 'McKenna will drop him' for a year now. If you can't see what he brings to a side then there's not much anyone can say to you. He's an attacking threat, his output is very good, his chance creation statistics are high. Out of possession he's a managers dream, and has a huge amount of pace on the transition which we're reliant on. Rather than dropping 'whack a ball' he's been a key part of a promotion winning side, a regular starter for a 6 wins in 7 Championship side and also now in the Wales squad. Funny that. |  | | |
| Oh my word …. on 11:21 - Sep 20 with 1238 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Oh my word …. on 11:19 - Sep 20 by _clive_baker_ |
You've been saying 'McKenna will drop him' for a year now. If you can't see what he brings to a side then there's not much anyone can say to you. He's an attacking threat, his output is very good, his chance creation statistics are high. Out of possession he's a managers dream, and has a huge amount of pace on the transition which we're reliant on. Rather than dropping 'whack a ball' he's been a key part of a promotion winning side, a regular starter for a 6 wins in 7 Championship side and also now in the Wales squad. Funny that. |
Bored now. if you've spent the time to read the thread to post about my thoughts again, then you would have seen plenty of times i've agreed with alot of positive points in his play.
Strange why you lot ignore that, actually it's not strange, it's normal, odd though. | |
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| Exasperated rather than shocked innit Bakers on 12:14 - Sep 20 with 1207 views | Dyland |
| Oh my word …. on 11:12 - Sep 20 by _clive_baker_ |
The most surprising thing about this thread is people are seemingly still shocked when Frimmers shows himself up to be utterly clueless and not understand football.
Burns was absolutely exceptional out of possession last night. Unreal shift for 100 minutes. When you're playing away at Southampton you need to recognise you're probably going to have to be if you want to win. Its a different remit, it's not Morecambe at home where its a case of 80% possession and how many times can Burns get to the byline and cut back. |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 12:45 - Sep 20 with 1173 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 10:36 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Burns role is unique tbh, but because of the number of opportunities he gets in front of goal he needs to do better, just as simple as that.
You might think 9 goals in a season is good for it, that's fine. I don't agree.
I also don't agree that 4 goals in 7 months is a good return |
Why is it do you think his role is Unique. By definition you are confirming his role is say different to Broadheads. Broadhead is clearly more attacking and has less defensive duties. But you expect the same output in goals.
You opted to base his output on 2023 (deliberately as it takes in a whole summer break etc) so goals will sound less impressive etc. But I'll go with it...
Your issue with burns is output/final ball/goals etc
You said you use facts (dreadfully) so I'll throw them back at you for your actual cherry picked 2023:
Burns 29 games, 10 assists, 4 goals. Goal contribution (GC) every 2 games (2.07)
Broadhead
26 games
8 goals
7 Assists
GC every 1.73 games
Hirst
27 games
7 goals
3 Assists
GC every 2.7 games
Ladapo
27 games
12 goals
1 assist
GC every 2.07 games.
So despite being more defensive in his unique role he is contributing directly to a goal every 1 in 2. Same amount as Ladapo (Striker) and more than Hirst. He's also at the same time doing more running, defending, tackles etc with this excellent attacking output.
Those are facts. And in the time period YOU set.
And point of order...I'm not so blinded by (must score X goals) to appreciate Hirst offers more than Ladapo (much as I appreciate Ladapo!!) |  |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 13:27 - Sep 20 with 1129 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 12:45 - Sep 20 by Nutkins_Return |
Why is it do you think his role is Unique. By definition you are confirming his role is say different to Broadheads. Broadhead is clearly more attacking and has less defensive duties. But you expect the same output in goals.
You opted to base his output on 2023 (deliberately as it takes in a whole summer break etc) so goals will sound less impressive etc. But I'll go with it...
Your issue with burns is output/final ball/goals etc
You said you use facts (dreadfully) so I'll throw them back at you for your actual cherry picked 2023:
Burns 29 games, 10 assists, 4 goals. Goal contribution (GC) every 2 games (2.07)
Broadhead
26 games
8 goals
7 Assists
GC every 1.73 games
Hirst
27 games
7 goals
3 Assists
GC every 2.7 games
Ladapo
27 games
12 goals
1 assist
GC every 2.07 games.
So despite being more defensive in his unique role he is contributing directly to a goal every 1 in 2. Same amount as Ladapo (Striker) and more than Hirst. He's also at the same time doing more running, defending, tackles etc with this excellent attacking output.
Those are facts. And in the time period YOU set.
And point of order...I'm not so blinded by (must score X goals) to appreciate Hirst offers more than Ladapo (much as I appreciate Ladapo!!) |
Yeah 4 goals in 29 games ain't great with the chances he's had.
But nice stats. The other stats have been well discussed and accepted tho. But hope you enjoyed the time looking it all up.
Oh and btw, I said 7 months so not to include the summer months otherwise it would have been 9 [Post edited 20 Sep 2023 13:30]
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 14:36 - Sep 20 with 1087 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 13:27 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Yeah 4 goals in 29 games ain't great with the chances he's had.
But nice stats. The other stats have been well discussed and accepted tho. But hope you enjoyed the time looking it all up.
Oh and btw, I said 7 months so not to include the summer months otherwise it would have been 9 [Post edited 20 Sep 2023 13:30]
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No. You said 4 goals in 2023. You backtracked later and said 7 months after you were pulled up on cherry picking.
Yes they are nice stats. With a breakdown of what you put and analysing it. Your own stupidity cost you a bit when you talked about his 'unique' role because you clearly do realise he plays a more defensive role then Broadhead (unless, and please do, you think his unique role is more attacking). I've presented the numbers vs your rationale and you are demonstrably wrong.
I did enjoy it. I like data. I like bringing data to people and showing the correct answer/way forward. Thwts how progress occurs. That's what McKenna and his team will be doing day in a day out. But much more complex data including distances, fatigue, chances created, tackles, interceptions etc etc.
Normally people learn from data. It helps agree ways forward in projects etc.
But not Frimbot. Frimbot doubles down again. | |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 14:45 - Sep 20 with 1058 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 14:36 - Sep 20 by Nutkins_Return |
No. You said 4 goals in 2023. You backtracked later and said 7 months after you were pulled up on cherry picking.
Yes they are nice stats. With a breakdown of what you put and analysing it. Your own stupidity cost you a bit when you talked about his 'unique' role because you clearly do realise he plays a more defensive role then Broadhead (unless, and please do, you think his unique role is more attacking). I've presented the numbers vs your rationale and you are demonstrably wrong.
I did enjoy it. I like data. I like bringing data to people and showing the correct answer/way forward. Thwts how progress occurs. That's what McKenna and his team will be doing day in a day out. But much more complex data including distances, fatigue, chances created, tackles, interceptions etc etc.
Normally people learn from data. It helps agree ways forward in projects etc.
But not Frimbot. Frimbot doubles down again. |
It's not back tracking. It's still 2023. Thought I was being fairer to him by saying 7 months. If it's better for you I'll say 2023 if you prefer.
Data's great.
All you've done is confirmed the same goal scoring stat I already shared and then got worked up and started sharing stats about things not even being talked about.
Again. For the 100000th time.
Burns is good at some things. One thing he's not imo is scoring. Something I think is key for his role which whilst unique, it brings alot of goal scoring opportunities his way which he doesn't make the most of.
That is it. | |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 14:55 - Sep 20 with 1032 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 14:45 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
It's not back tracking. It's still 2023. Thought I was being fairer to him by saying 7 months. If it's better for you I'll say 2023 if you prefer.
Data's great.
All you've done is confirmed the same goal scoring stat I already shared and then got worked up and started sharing stats about things not even being talked about.
Again. For the 100000th time.
Burns is good at some things. One thing he's not imo is scoring. Something I think is key for his role which whilst unique, it brings alot of goal scoring opportunities his way which he doesn't make the most of.
That is it. |
"It's not back tracking. It's still 2023. Thought I was being fairer to him by saying 7 months. If it's better for you I'll say 2023 if you prefer."
What?
The rest is nonsense. You've double down so hard now that you've imaged your whole argument has only ever been goals.
Let's call it a day. | |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 14:57 - Sep 20 with 1028 views | HankScorpio |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 14:45 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
It's not back tracking. It's still 2023. Thought I was being fairer to him by saying 7 months. If it's better for you I'll say 2023 if you prefer.
Data's great.
All you've done is confirmed the same goal scoring stat I already shared and then got worked up and started sharing stats about things not even being talked about.
Again. For the 100000th time.
Burns is good at some things. One thing he's not imo is scoring. Something I think is key for his role which whilst unique, it brings alot of goal scoring opportunities his way which he doesn't make the most of.
That is it. |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 15:01 - Sep 20 with 1023 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 14:55 - Sep 20 by Nutkins_Return |
"It's not back tracking. It's still 2023. Thought I was being fairer to him by saying 7 months. If it's better for you I'll say 2023 if you prefer."
What?
The rest is nonsense. You've double down so hard now that you've imaged your whole argument has only ever been goals.
Let's call it a day. |
Think you should. Youre keen to ignore everything else I've agreed with yet ignore where I've said over and over his lack of clinical finishing is my issue. Fken ell. Painful. | |
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