| Oh my word …. 21:51 - Sep 19 with 8499 views | ArnieM |
What an absolutely brilliant team performance. Special mention to Wes Burns who I thought was excellent tonight snd young Hutchinson: he’s a lovely talent . Excellent defensive performance throughout ( thought we were going to get out second half tbh .
COYBs
3k Town fans there tonight : just bloody awesome 👍👍👍👍🥳🥳🥳🥳
Edit: meant to say…. I just LOVED Sam Morsy’s up up up of arms towards Town fans in that last minute down in that corner: saints players were fuming lol ! [Post edited 19 Sep 2023 22:02]
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| Oh my word …. on 07:44 - Sep 20 with 1940 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Oh my word …. on 07:34 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Because the OP heavily mentions burns. Duh. |
So you need multiple threads on Burns to say the same things? One won't do. If someone talks up his performance despite you already having a thread saying all the same things you have to come to another one to start the exact same dullard arguments. Tragic. |  |
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| Oh my word …. on 07:58 - Sep 20 with 1895 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Oh my word …. on 07:44 - Sep 20 by Nutkins_Return |
So you need multiple threads on Burns to say the same things? One won't do. If someone talks up his performance despite you already having a thread saying all the same things you have to come to another one to start the exact same dullard arguments. Tragic. |
Same goes for the OP then doesn't he. He talked up burns in a new thread when he could have used the the other one no?
Tbh not a view I agree with but that's what you seem to to think altho not if it's positive thoughts only.
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 08:09 - Sep 20 with 1900 views | Dyland |
| Oh my word …. on 07:58 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Same goes for the OP then doesn't he. He talked up burns in a new thread when he could have used the the other one no?
Tbh not a view I agree with but that's what you seem to to think altho not if it's positive thoughts only.
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You've done it elsewhere and that's enough (too much in my opinion but yes you're allowed your opinion).
You hop on every single Burns comment to criticise one of our top performers. It's beyond enervating. You can't help yourself can you. Do you get some kind f perverse satisfaction out of it?
As has been repeated ad nauseam, if Burns consistently created a goal scoring opportunity with every cross he'd be playing in the Prem. |  |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 08:45 - Sep 20 with 1862 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 08:09 - Sep 20 by Dyland |
You've done it elsewhere and that's enough (too much in my opinion but yes you're allowed your opinion).
You hop on every single Burns comment to criticise one of our top performers. It's beyond enervating. You can't help yourself can you. Do you get some kind f perverse satisfaction out of it?
As has been repeated ad nauseam, if Burns consistently created a goal scoring opportunity with every cross he'd be playing in the Prem. |
that's how it works, people share their thoughts on a player, if you don't agree, you share why.
Not sure what your last para is about. My dislike is his lack of goalscoring, 4 goals in 2023 or something like that, again for such an attacking player it's poor imo. So yes i will continue to share my thoughts on him. I won' start new threads about him, but if people talk about him and get all excited about him, then yes I shall indeed share why I don't agree with such level of excitement. | |
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| Oh my word …. on 08:47 - Sep 20 with 1866 views | BiGDonnie |
| Oh my word …. on 07:44 - Sep 20 by Nutkins_Return |
So you need multiple threads on Burns to say the same things? One won't do. If someone talks up his performance despite you already having a thread saying all the same things you have to come to another one to start the exact same dullard arguments. Tragic. |
Honestly, put that thick messer on ignore and TWTD becomes a better place. |  |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 08:49 - Sep 20 with 1865 views | BiGDonnie |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 08:09 - Sep 20 by Dyland |
You've done it elsewhere and that's enough (too much in my opinion but yes you're allowed your opinion).
You hop on every single Burns comment to criticise one of our top performers. It's beyond enervating. You can't help yourself can you. Do you get some kind f perverse satisfaction out of it?
As has been repeated ad nauseam, if Burns consistently created a goal scoring opportunity with every cross he'd be playing in the Prem. |
Ask DImbot what his thoughts are on the Southampton players end product and see what sh&te he comes back with.
Multi million pound players that created next to nothing.
Melt.
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| No, please don't on 08:57 - Sep 20 with 1847 views | Dyland |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 08:45 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
that's how it works, people share their thoughts on a player, if you don't agree, you share why.
Not sure what your last para is about. My dislike is his lack of goalscoring, 4 goals in 2023 or something like that, again for such an attacking player it's poor imo. So yes i will continue to share my thoughts on him. I won' start new threads about him, but if people talk about him and get all excited about him, then yes I shall indeed share why I don't agree with such level of excitement. |
It's the online equivalent of going up to a group of people engaged in an activity you don't enjoy and telling them over and over that you don't like what they are doing. It ruins it for those people.
You've had your say, and I suggest you do start threads about him when you want to discuss it, instead of derailing every other one where posters praise him. Even if I wanted to put you on ignore (I don't) I couldn't cos you post so much it makes the forum unreadable.
No need to reply with "it's a forum and people are allowed to post their opinions whenever and wherever they want", because whilst that is essentially true it is not in the spirit of a public forum.
I've made my point and will leave it there. Cheers Frimmers. | |
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| Oh my word …. on 09:03 - Sep 20 with 1830 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Oh my word …. on 08:47 - Sep 20 by BiGDonnie |
Honestly, put that thick messer on ignore and TWTD becomes a better place. |
I had him on ignore, and then he seemed to get a bit more even with his posts, so I took him off.
In recent weeks, he seems to have got a second wind so he's gone back on. |  |
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| No, please don't on 09:10 - Sep 20 with 1814 views | FrimleyBlue |
| No, please don't on 08:57 - Sep 20 by Dyland |
It's the online equivalent of going up to a group of people engaged in an activity you don't enjoy and telling them over and over that you don't like what they are doing. It ruins it for those people.
You've had your say, and I suggest you do start threads about him when you want to discuss it, instead of derailing every other one where posters praise him. Even if I wanted to put you on ignore (I don't) I couldn't cos you post so much it makes the forum unreadable.
No need to reply with "it's a forum and people are allowed to post their opinions whenever and wherever they want", because whilst that is essentially true it is not in the spirit of a public forum.
I've made my point and will leave it there. Cheers Frimmers. |
"You've had your say, and I suggest you do start threads about him when you want to discuss it,"
strangely enough, people moaned about that, hence why I don't.
cheers Dylas :) | |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 09:11 - Sep 20 with 1817 views | StokieBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 08:45 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
that's how it works, people share their thoughts on a player, if you don't agree, you share why.
Not sure what your last para is about. My dislike is his lack of goalscoring, 4 goals in 2023 or something like that, again for such an attacking player it's poor imo. So yes i will continue to share my thoughts on him. I won' start new threads about him, but if people talk about him and get all excited about him, then yes I shall indeed share why I don't agree with such level of excitement. |
It's how it should work but it's not how it works with you.
You share an opinion, people present evidence showing that your "feelings" aren't supported by facts and then you ignore that and spend the next year saying the exact same thing as often as you can whilst continually ignoring any evidence put to you or the context of the player (he's not a Champions League player).
Goals aren't the main point of his position, choosing just that stat to focus on whilst ignoring assists and chances created is cherry-picking. Selecting 2023 as an arbitrary mid-season start date for your evidence is clearly also cherry-picking.
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| Oh my word …. on 09:12 - Sep 20 with 1805 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Oh my word …. on 09:03 - Sep 20 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I had him on ignore, and then he seemed to get a bit more even with his posts, so I took him off.
In recent weeks, he seems to have got a second wind so he's gone back on. |
I'd like to understand this further, besides last nights and this morning posts about burns, discussed on threads made by other posters about Burns.
What exactly haven't I been balanced about?
Genuine question. | |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 09:19 - Sep 20 with 1794 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 09:11 - Sep 20 by StokieBlue |
It's how it should work but it's not how it works with you.
You share an opinion, people present evidence showing that your "feelings" aren't supported by facts and then you ignore that and spend the next year saying the exact same thing as often as you can whilst continually ignoring any evidence put to you or the context of the player (he's not a Champions League player).
Goals aren't the main point of his position, choosing just that stat to focus on whilst ignoring assists and chances created is cherry-picking. Selecting 2023 as an arbitrary mid-season start date for your evidence is clearly also cherry-picking.
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Thats your problem, my feelings are supported by facts and those facts are he's not scoring the opportunities that come his way.
You dont agree, so push the assist agenda, which again are low, but we agree they depend on others anyway...
So we're looking at the player defensively and as a unit, which i've agreed Burns is very good at. We look at crossing, which is always a mixed bag, don't think anyone can disagree there.
My point about Burns all along, no different back then, no different now, he wastes so many opportunities and im not going to ignore that lack of finishing just because he does other things well, part of his game will be to score goals and he's not and hasn't done well in this specific area. | |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 09:21 - Sep 20 with 1791 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 08:49 - Sep 20 by BiGDonnie |
Ask DImbot what his thoughts are on the Southampton players end product and see what sh&te he comes back with.
Multi million pound players that created next to nothing.
Melt.
Him not you |
I thought they were rubbish just like most of their fans. odd question. | |
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| Oh my word …. on 09:25 - Sep 20 with 1792 views | BiGDonnie |
| Oh my word …. on 09:03 - Sep 20 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I had him on ignore, and then he seemed to get a bit more even with his posts, so I took him off.
In recent weeks, he seems to have got a second wind so he's gone back on. |
Get him back on it for your own sake.
His Burns views are insane and shows he never goes to games the utter, utter bell. | |
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| I don't think he's the best defender on 09:26 - Sep 20 with 1793 views | Dyland |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 09:19 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Thats your problem, my feelings are supported by facts and those facts are he's not scoring the opportunities that come his way.
You dont agree, so push the assist agenda, which again are low, but we agree they depend on others anyway...
So we're looking at the player defensively and as a unit, which i've agreed Burns is very good at. We look at crossing, which is always a mixed bag, don't think anyone can disagree there.
My point about Burns all along, no different back then, no different now, he wastes so many opportunities and im not going to ignore that lack of finishing just because he does other things well, part of his game will be to score goals and he's not and hasn't done well in this specific area. |
Gives away fouls and not a great tackler. Unit defending very good though, yes. Tracking back, shape, and all.
It's not just his assists or goals you wally, it's his part in the attacking play. Not sure why you don't get it. Players create opps by driving us forward, and Burns does it consistently.
I'd say stats shmats twenty years ago, look at what's in front of you, but there are presumably plenty of stats and data to back up Burns in this regard. But whatever, stats shmats, look at what's in front of you :)
Again and again and again... yes of course we'd all like him to score more and have a better assist and cross conversion etc etc percentage. It's a bland and utterly vacuous point, if that's your point. | |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 09:33 - Sep 20 with 1777 views | StokieBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 09:19 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Thats your problem, my feelings are supported by facts and those facts are he's not scoring the opportunities that come his way.
You dont agree, so push the assist agenda, which again are low, but we agree they depend on others anyway...
So we're looking at the player defensively and as a unit, which i've agreed Burns is very good at. We look at crossing, which is always a mixed bag, don't think anyone can disagree there.
My point about Burns all along, no different back then, no different now, he wastes so many opportunities and im not going to ignore that lack of finishing just because he does other things well, part of his game will be to score goals and he's not and hasn't done well in this specific area. |
Disingenuous.
Your feelings are supported by cherry-picked facts and timescales that you've selected whilst ignoring others. If you were being balanced in your analysis you would include all his stats over set season timescales as well as both defensive and attacking stats given his position.
Your position is that he should perform to the standard of a Champions League player and it's the incorrect starting position from which to construct any valid argument.
I've had enough of trying to explain this to you so I'll leave it there.
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 10:00 - Sep 20 with 1733 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 09:33 - Sep 20 by StokieBlue |
Disingenuous.
Your feelings are supported by cherry-picked facts and timescales that you've selected whilst ignoring others. If you were being balanced in your analysis you would include all his stats over set season timescales as well as both defensive and attacking stats given his position.
Your position is that he should perform to the standard of a Champions League player and it's the incorrect starting position from which to construct any valid argument.
I've had enough of trying to explain this to you so I'll leave it there.
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I don't personally believe scoring more than 4 goals in 2023 would only be doable for a champions league player personally.
Anyways i'll leave it here to. | |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 10:15 - Sep 20 with 1728 views | StokieBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 10:00 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't personally believe scoring more than 4 goals in 2023 would only be doable for a champions league player personally.
Anyways i'll leave it here to. |
Actually, one more question.
Could you please provide an example of a player who plays in a similar position who you feel that Burns should be emulating, that way we can make a direct comparison of your expectations.
Using the entire season of 22/23 which is sensible and not cherry-picking:
I thought Alexander-Arnold was fairly similar although not identical and he got 2 goals and 10 assists, Burns got 9 goals and 12 assists. If you want someone who plays further forward but is really a full on winger with no defensive duties then Rak-Sakyi got 15 goals and 8 assists.
Given this Burns actual return on goals and assists is rather good and that's before you take into account his defensive responsibilities.
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 10:36 - Sep 20 with 1699 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 10:15 - Sep 20 by StokieBlue |
Actually, one more question.
Could you please provide an example of a player who plays in a similar position who you feel that Burns should be emulating, that way we can make a direct comparison of your expectations.
Using the entire season of 22/23 which is sensible and not cherry-picking:
I thought Alexander-Arnold was fairly similar although not identical and he got 2 goals and 10 assists, Burns got 9 goals and 12 assists. If you want someone who plays further forward but is really a full on winger with no defensive duties then Rak-Sakyi got 15 goals and 8 assists.
Given this Burns actual return on goals and assists is rather good and that's before you take into account his defensive responsibilities.
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Burns role is unique tbh, but because of the number of opportunities he gets in front of goal he needs to do better, just as simple as that.
You might think 9 goals in a season is good for it, that's fine. I don't agree.
I also don't agree that 4 goals in 7 months is a good return | |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 10:52 - Sep 20 with 1674 views | StokieBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 10:36 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Burns role is unique tbh, but because of the number of opportunities he gets in front of goal he needs to do better, just as simple as that.
You might think 9 goals in a season is good for it, that's fine. I don't agree.
I also don't agree that 4 goals in 7 months is a good return |
That's a cop out.
You frequently state that he can and might be replaced in January with someone better in that role yet you are now saying his role is unique. If you feel he can be replaced you must have a certain type of player in mind and thus stats could be found and compared.
Your arguments are all over the place and internally inconsistent. You claim they are evidence based but refuse to present evidence. Hard to know where to go from here as you clearly either don't understand how to construct an argument or you're doing this on purpose.
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 10:55 - Sep 20 with 1668 views | wkj |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 10:36 - Sep 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Burns role is unique tbh, but because of the number of opportunities he gets in front of goal he needs to do better, just as simple as that.
You might think 9 goals in a season is good for it, that's fine. I don't agree.
I also don't agree that 4 goals in 7 months is a good return |
Burns is your kink of the season it seems, and once more the hot take is being proven wrong - Do you get tired of being habitually wrong? Maybe a few sessions on the treadmill will release the pressure and anxiety of needing to #BeUnique on TWTD and turbo posting yourself into yet another corner under the shroud of wrongability. |  |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 11:05 - Sep 20 with 1639 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 10:52 - Sep 20 by StokieBlue |
That's a cop out.
You frequently state that he can and might be replaced in January with someone better in that role yet you are now saying his role is unique. If you feel he can be replaced you must have a certain type of player in mind and thus stats could be found and compared.
Your arguments are all over the place and internally inconsistent. You claim they are evidence based but refuse to present evidence. Hard to know where to go from here as you clearly either don't understand how to construct an argument or you're doing this on purpose.
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Not really, I don't watch enough of other sides to know who plays the unique role that wes does. If i were to give you a random name, you'd turn it and say he doesn't play the role anyway.
It's quite straightforward tbh SB only you are making a meal out of it all, not sure what other evidence you want. I think he should score more, i've shown his goal scoring stats over a time period, which I think is fair as it includes both time in league 1 and the championship.
You're counter argument and counter evidence is going back further months to find when he had a purple patch and then present that as your evidence to support your view.
Anyone can twist things to suit as shown here by both of us to defend our own positions.
We will have to agree to disagree on this as you clearly feel goalscoring isnt an important part of his role, i disagree but there you go. | |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 11:07 - Sep 20 with 1640 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 10:55 - Sep 20 by wkj |
Burns is your kink of the season it seems, and once more the hot take is being proven wrong - Do you get tired of being habitually wrong? Maybe a few sessions on the treadmill will release the pressure and anxiety of needing to #BeUnique on TWTD and turbo posting yourself into yet another corner under the shroud of wrongability. |
His kink of last season too. The current thing in a long list of hot takes. | |
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| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 11:09 - Sep 20 with 1634 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don't derail a Burns appreciation thread with your negativy on 11:07 - Sep 20 by Cheltenham_Blue |
His kink of last season too. The current thing in a long list of hot takes. |
you've ignored my question earlier.
Apart from Burns, what are these recent hot takes you dont agree with? | |
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| Oh my word …. on 11:12 - Sep 20 with 1636 views | _clive_baker_ |
The most surprising thing about this thread is people are seemingly still shocked when Frimmers shows himself up to be utterly clueless and not understand football.
Burns was absolutely exceptional out of possession last night. Unreal shift for 100 minutes. When you're playing away at Southampton you need to recognise you're probably going to have to be if you want to win. Its a different remit, it's not Morecambe at home where its a case of 80% possession and how many times can Burns get to the byline and cut back. |  | | |
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