| Do the Tories *want* to win the GE? 09:03 - May 24 with 543 views | Zx1988 |
I'm not necessarily referring to the individual MPs and the grassroots support, but more the 'high command' side of things, who'll have their eyes on the longer-term plan.
They've been salting the earth for the last 12-18 months now and, with the timing of the GE being called, will be leaving a lot of very costly live hand grenades for an incoming government to have to deal with - compensation for the Blood and Post Office scandals, leasehold reform (which will be subject to long and costly challenges from freeholders), etc.,
I recall that the last Budget in particular was met with comments from a number of decent sources saying that it appeared designed to do serious damage to the next Chancellor. Why would the Tories want to inherit that particular mess?
After three pretty hefty blunders from Sunak in the first 24hrs of the campaign (Sky News being kicked out of the launch event, taking questions from stooges, and his football gaffe in Wales), it'll be interesting to see whether the Tory campaign may find itself beset by the sorts of faux pas which would perhaps steer floating voters away from them,
I get the feeling that the Tories might rather sit out the next five years, whilst heckling Labour from the sidelines, and then ride back in on a wave of further discontent in 2029. |  |
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| Do the Tories *want* to win the GE? on 09:30 - May 24 with 471 views | Help |
Of course they don't want to win. They know they have screwed the Country and are happy for labour to walk in and realise just how bad it is. And how they don't have a chance to sort it out. |  | | |
| Do the Tories *want* to win the GE? on 09:37 - May 24 with 458 views | Guthrum |
That might indeed be their thinking. But it's not a particularly cunning plan, for a number of reasons.
Labour would be able to blame the Conservatives for a wide range of problems. As the Tories did in reverse for about a decade after 2010.
In power (and free of the elements which hamper every Con policy move) Lab may actually be able to sort out some of the issues. Thus showing themselves in a good light.
Several years of bitter and ugly infighting over blame for defeat, who gets to lead what's left and which direction it goes in will not show the Cons in their best light.
If they haven't been in power that long (less than a decade), the incumbent party has a natural advantage.
A lot can happen in five years. The UK and world situation is not easy to predict so far ahead.
Much that can go wrong with a scheme to sit out five years of chaos then ride back into power. I think internal Tory party politics have something to do with the timing of the election. A trial of strength between different factions. Plus getting it done before anything else goes wrong (e.g. embarrassing public climb-down over the Rwanda Scheme).
In addition, while Sunak is perhaps a reasonably capable technocrat, he isn't a dynamic political campaigner. There's a limit to his capabilities in an election arena. Any TV debates will be interesting, given Starmer is a trained barrister. [Post edited 24 May 9:51]
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| Do the Tories *want* to win the GE? on 09:47 - May 24 with 439 views | Zx1988 |
| Do the Tories *want* to win the GE? on 09:37 - May 24 by Guthrum |
That might indeed be their thinking. But it's not a particularly cunning plan, for a number of reasons.
Labour would be able to blame the Conservatives for a wide range of problems. As the Tories did in reverse for about a decade after 2010.
In power (and free of the elements which hamper every Con policy move) Lab may actually be able to sort out some of the issues. Thus showing themselves in a good light.
Several years of bitter and ugly infighting over blame for defeat, who gets to lead what's left and which direction it goes in will not show the Cons in their best light.
If they haven't been in power that long (less than a decade), the incumbent party has a natural advantage.
A lot can happen in five years. The UK and world situation is not easy to predict so far ahead.
Much that can go wrong with a scheme to sit out five years of chaos then ride back into power. I think internal Tory party politics have something to do with the timing of the election. A trial of strength between different factions. Plus getting it done before anything else goes wrong (e.g. embarrassing public climb-down over the Rwanda Scheme).
In addition, while Sunak is perhaps a reasonably capable technocrat, he isn't a dynamic political campaigner. There's a limit to his capabilities in an election arena. Any TV debates will be interesting, given Starmer is a trained barrister. [Post edited 24 May 9:51]
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I agree regarding Sunak.
He's just as weak on campaigning/scrutiny as Johnson was, but without the nous to realise that the best tactic is to avoid the public, avoid debates, and hide in a fridge when necessary.
It's almost as if he doesn't realise what a liability he is. | |
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| Do the Tories *want* to win the GE? on 09:59 - May 24 with 424 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Do the Tories *want* to win the GE? on 09:30 - May 24 by Help |
Of course they don't want to win. They know they have screwed the Country and are happy for labour to walk in and realise just how bad it is. And how they don't have a chance to sort it out. |
It's tempting to make that argument (and you could be right), but I'm not sure they've enough shame to worry about the mess they've made. And the lure of kleptocracy will be stronger for them than worrying about the mess. I'm sure they'd love to keep going, but probably just realise they've lost already. |  |
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| Do the Tories *want* to win the GE? on 12:56 - May 24 with 360 views | bluelagos |
They're not clever enough. These are the people that thought Prime Minister Truss would be a good idea. [Post edited 24 May 12:56]
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| Do the Tories *want* to win the GE? on 13:21 - May 24 with 325 views | SmithersJones |
| Do the Tories *want* to win the GE? on 09:37 - May 24 by Guthrum |
That might indeed be their thinking. But it's not a particularly cunning plan, for a number of reasons.
Labour would be able to blame the Conservatives for a wide range of problems. As the Tories did in reverse for about a decade after 2010.
In power (and free of the elements which hamper every Con policy move) Lab may actually be able to sort out some of the issues. Thus showing themselves in a good light.
Several years of bitter and ugly infighting over blame for defeat, who gets to lead what's left and which direction it goes in will not show the Cons in their best light.
If they haven't been in power that long (less than a decade), the incumbent party has a natural advantage.
A lot can happen in five years. The UK and world situation is not easy to predict so far ahead.
Much that can go wrong with a scheme to sit out five years of chaos then ride back into power. I think internal Tory party politics have something to do with the timing of the election. A trial of strength between different factions. Plus getting it done before anything else goes wrong (e.g. embarrassing public climb-down over the Rwanda Scheme).
In addition, while Sunak is perhaps a reasonably capable technocrat, he isn't a dynamic political campaigner. There's a limit to his capabilities in an election arena. Any TV debates will be interesting, given Starmer is a trained barrister. [Post edited 24 May 9:51]
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1. Replace “the country” with “Chelsea”
2. Replace “the Conservatives” with “Todd Boehly”
3. Replace “Labour” with “Kieran McKenna”.
There, now we’re back on topic! | | | |
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