| The Gaza influence 01:37 - Jul 5 with 6147 views | Swansea_Blue |
It’s a bit nuts isn’t it? Sky just taking about the Birmingham Ladywood constituency, where the incumbent senior Labour MP Shabana Mahmood (shadow Justice Sec) is being challenged by an independent, Akhmed Yakoob, who’s won support solely off a pro-Palestinian/pro-ceasefire ticket. But he’s got a history of misogyny.
I’m pro-peace and for a ceasefire in Palestinian territory (I can’t see another way - more violence leads to even more violence). But as a definite issue in our election, really? Surely it should be further down the list than immediate concerns like jobs, income, public services, opportunities, local environment, etc? [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 1:41]
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| The Gaza influence on 08:42 - Jul 6 with 1600 views | DJR |
| The Gaza influence on 14:42 - Jul 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Yes, although I still find it a bit strange. Many of the Muslims who see this as a priority will have no links to Palestine (many will presumably have been born here). Although I suppose we also are heavily invested in what’s going on in Ukraine, so maybe it not so strange really, |
I think it is a case of Muslims in this country seeing fellow Muslims suffering, and the main parties in this country not standing up to Israel in the same way that they do to Russia in connection with Ukraine, where similar atrocities are taking place. |  | | |
| The Gaza influence on 08:46 - Jul 6 with 1571 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Gaza influence on 08:42 - Jul 6 by DJR |
I think it is a case of Muslims in this country seeing fellow Muslims suffering, and the main parties in this country not standing up to Israel in the same way that they do to Russia in connection with Ukraine, where similar atrocities are taking place. |
And yet when Jews in this country see fellow Jews being raped, murdered, kidnapped and mutilated then speak out against it, they have the dual loyalty trope thrown against them and are accused of being genocide supporters.
Funny old world. |  |
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| The Gaza influence on 08:51 - Jul 6 with 1566 views | DJR |
| The Gaza influence on 08:46 - Jul 6 by GlasgowBlue |
And yet when Jews in this country see fellow Jews being raped, murdered, kidnapped and mutilated then speak out against it, they have the dual loyalty trope thrown against them and are accused of being genocide supporters.
Funny old world. |
That is totally wrong, and is a result of millennia of antisemitism, but I think the parallels are the same, namely, Jewish people feeling for fellow Jews wherever they may be, and Muslims feeling for fellow Muslims wherever they may be.
The odd thing is that this country, being notionally a Christian country, doesn't really seem to bat an eyelid at the suffering of Christians in the Middle East in many countries. The Christian communities in East Jerusalem and Gaza are but two recent examples.
And as it is, I think Muslims do suffer from similar racist tropes such as the Great Replacement Theory. And take this from the Scotsman.
IT’S less than 24 hours since Humza Yousaf heard the news: that Stuart Smith, from Gretna Green, had been found guilty of a hate crime against him.
“Humza Yousaf, good Scots name,” the 63-year-old former farmer had tweeted shortly after the Bataclan massacre in Paris in 2015. “I am sure he is 90% backing Muslim killers. Be having a whip round for terrorist families soon." [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 9:36]
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| The Gaza influence on 09:32 - Jul 6 with 1501 views | Blueschev |
| The Gaza influence on 08:46 - Jul 6 by GlasgowBlue |
And yet when Jews in this country see fellow Jews being raped, murdered, kidnapped and mutilated then speak out against it, they have the dual loyalty trope thrown against them and are accused of being genocide supporters.
Funny old world. |
Pro Palestinian protesters are accused of treachery by the right wing press and Tory politicians on a daily basis. Seems like the same trope to me, only far more mainstream. |  | | |
| The Gaza influence on 14:08 - Jul 6 with 1445 views | brazil1982 |
| The Gaza influence on 09:32 - Jul 6 by Blueschev |
Pro Palestinian protesters are accused of treachery by the right wing press and Tory politicians on a daily basis. Seems like the same trope to me, only far more mainstream. |
Treachery on a daily basis? Really? I don't think so. |  | | |
| The Gaza influence on 01:20 - Jul 7 with 1369 views | Perublue |
I’m probably being a little naïve here but on this subject I was confused by the Jess Phillips situation,of all the labour candidates they could have targeted I would have thought she was the least obvious and was an “ally” didn’t she resign because of it ? |  |
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| The Gaza influence on 11:34 - Jul 7 with 1256 views | positivity |
| The Gaza influence on 07:58 - Jul 6 by GlasgowBlue |
He’s all of those things but he’s still from the far left of politics. His politics and tactics are no different to the SWP. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 7:59]
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his tactics are very similar to reform/bnp, as are some of the culture politics he engages in, so it's not a left/right thing |  |
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| The Gaza influence on 11:50 - Jul 7 with 1219 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Gaza influence on 11:34 - Jul 7 by positivity |
his tactics are very similar to reform/bnp, as are some of the culture politics he engages in, so it's not a left/right thing |
But he IS far left. Started life as a Young Socialist, secretary of the Dundee Labour Party, youngest ever chair of the Scottish Labour Party, Labour MP, supported the affiliation of the Communist Party of Great Britain to the Labour Party, anti NATO pro Palestine. Labour tried to remove him during the Militant Tendency saga etc.
He's from the Bennite/Corbyn wing of Labour politics. Left wing people can be popularist c*^ts just the same as right wing people can. | |
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| The Gaza influence on 12:00 - Jul 7 with 1193 views | positivity |
| The Gaza influence on 11:50 - Jul 7 by GlasgowBlue |
But he IS far left. Started life as a Young Socialist, secretary of the Dundee Labour Party, youngest ever chair of the Scottish Labour Party, Labour MP, supported the affiliation of the Communist Party of Great Britain to the Labour Party, anti NATO pro Palestine. Labour tried to remove him during the Militant Tendency saga etc.
He's from the Bennite/Corbyn wing of Labour politics. Left wing people can be popularist c*^ts just the same as right wing people can. |
he was far left, people change.
benn (i assume you mean tony and not hillary!) was never a fan of dictators, oppressors and illiberal views on gender etc.
galloway has elements of both left and right, but the only agenda he seems to have is what's giving george galloway the most attention/power | |
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| The Gaza influence on 13:13 - Jul 7 with 1127 views | DJR |
| The Gaza influence on 12:00 - Jul 7 by positivity |
he was far left, people change.
benn (i assume you mean tony and not hillary!) was never a fan of dictators, oppressors and illiberal views on gender etc.
galloway has elements of both left and right, but the only agenda he seems to have is what's giving george galloway the most attention/power |
Writing for The Guardian in 2024, Michael Chessum argued that Galloway's politics had shifted in the latter half of the 2010s, embracing Scottish unionism and social conservatism alongside more typically leftist positions, and highlighting the involvement of the socially conservative Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist–Leninist) in the early years of the Workers Party. Chessum likened Galloway's political evolution to that of German politician Sahra Wagenknecht, a leading member of The Left who broke away to found her own eponymous political movement, and who similarly espouses socially conservative positions and anti-NATO views. | | | |
| The Gaza influence on 23:55 - Jul 7 with 980 views | tractordownsouth |
I was hugely surprised that the Gaza candidates got in (and Corbyn to be honest) because of how difficult it is to win as an independent. I didn't pay much attention to the national stuff because I was so focused on the constituency but they got very little media coverage.
I reckon they'll all be turfed out in 5 years, for two reasons. Firstly, as with most representatives elected on a single issue they have no control over, I think they'll be awful MPs. Look at UKIP and even the BNP in local government - pretty much every councillor they ever had lost after one term because they were ineffective and lost interest.
Secondly, if the Gaza issue is de-escalated, or becomes less salient, as it likely will in the next five years, the wind goes out of their sails. It'll be a big task for Labour to win back the more ardent independent supporters but if they get some positive outcomes in government, the ones who just stayed at home in these constituencies may be compelled to come out again. |  |
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| The Gaza influence on 00:32 - Jul 8 with 943 views | Clapham_Junction |
| The Gaza influence on 12:00 - Jul 7 by positivity |
he was far left, people change.
benn (i assume you mean tony and not hillary!) was never a fan of dictators, oppressors and illiberal views on gender etc.
galloway has elements of both left and right, but the only agenda he seems to have is what's giving george galloway the most attention/power |
I don't think he is far-left either. His new party is pretty regressive/right-wing in terms of its stance on LGBT issues (possibly due to the type of voters he is targeting) and net zero (where he has the same stance as the lunatic fringe of the Tories).
I would just say he is a populist/demagogue with no clear place on the usual spectrum. |  | | |
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