| if our resident anarchist(s) had had their way 08:10 - Jul 5 with 4708 views | positivity |
and a few hundred thousand progressive voters had stayed at home instead of voting labour, liberal and green.
we could have been looking forward to a rose garden love-in with sunak and deputy farage/ promises of the rwanda flights taking off imminently/ scrapping of the last few green targets and slashing in net zero funding/ tax breaks for public schools/ tax breaks for non doms/ continued increase in sewage leaks/ slashing of the welfare budget/ continued rises in nhs waiting lists etc etc etc etc
i'm glad we live in our world! [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 8:31]
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| if banksy had had his way on 08:49 - Jul 5 with 2058 views | ArmaghBlue |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:44 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
They are not all the same, that is the last desperate argument of a loser.
Might as well vote for us because we are all the same.
This Labour is certainly closer to the Tories than I would like, but it is not the same as what we have had to endure for the last 14 years. |
My vote had neither Conservative or Labour on it. I just see politicians for what they are.
But if you are right, I shall watch in anticipation for this Labour Utopia to arise. [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 8:50]
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| if banksy had had his way on 08:52 - Jul 5 with 2038 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:40 - Jul 5 by positivity |
apologies, i thought if you were campaigning for a nota option, you'd have voted for that. who would you have gone for? |
Of the current options Green. |  |
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| if banksy had had his way on 08:52 - Jul 5 with 2041 views | GeoffSentence |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:49 - Jul 5 by ArmaghBlue |
My vote had neither Conservative or Labour on it. I just see politicians for what they are.
But if you are right, I shall watch in anticipation for this Labour Utopia to arise. [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 8:50]
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Utopia? I guess you are being facetious there.
Progress is what I ask, given the mess they have to clear up even that will be a long hard slog. But at least this is a step in the right direction. |  |
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| if banksy had had his way on 08:53 - Jul 5 with 2035 views | NthQldITFC |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:31 - Jul 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Well of course not but there is a bigger picture with serious consequences in the long term. |
On all fronts we're in a better position today than we were yesterday. I'm prepared to take that and move on. Ultimately we unequivocally need the changes you want, and there's not much time, but we're a little bit closer or at least not as far away as we would have been otherwise. |  |
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| if banksy had had his way on 08:54 - Jul 5 with 2020 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:42 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
UNder PR a vote for LD or Greens would not be wasted. Under PR this time they would almost certainly be in government alongside Labour. |
Which is why I said, "as it stands." | |
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| if banksy had had his way on 08:57 - Jul 5 with 2000 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:53 - Jul 5 by NthQldITFC |
On all fronts we're in a better position today than we were yesterday. I'm prepared to take that and move on. Ultimately we unequivocally need the changes you want, and there's not much time, but we're a little bit closer or at least not as far away as we would have been otherwise. |
I await the barrage of socially progressive, non neoliberal policies that this huge mandate (lol) will enable with baited breath!! | |
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| if banksy had had his way on 09:21 - Jul 5 with 1953 views | GeoffSentence |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:54 - Jul 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Which is why I said, "as it stands." |
Apologies Banksy, I must learn to read posts fully. | |
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| if banksy had had his way on 09:24 - Jul 5 with 1939 views | positivity |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:57 - Jul 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I await the barrage of socially progressive, non neoliberal policies that this huge mandate (lol) will enable with baited breath!! |
yep, looking forward to the positive direction of travel too | |
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| if our resident anarchist(s) had had their way on 09:28 - Jul 5 with 1931 views | Whos_blue |
Banksy and AB, it's day one.
Many of us did what we needed to do to get the dreadful tories out of government. That's been achieved and some.
I don't suppose for a moment many of us are completely enamoured with Starmer's Labour, but we had to do what we could to ensure change occured.
We've got that change now and we have to give it time to settle until we evaluate how effective it will be. It might, as you both seem to espouse, be just as bad.
But on day one, can we at least give it a chance? |  |
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| if our resident anarchist(s) had had their way on 09:37 - Jul 5 with 1897 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| if our resident anarchist(s) had had their way on 09:28 - Jul 5 by Whos_blue |
Banksy and AB, it's day one.
Many of us did what we needed to do to get the dreadful tories out of government. That's been achieved and some.
I don't suppose for a moment many of us are completely enamoured with Starmer's Labour, but we had to do what we could to ensure change occured.
We've got that change now and we have to give it time to settle until we evaluate how effective it will be. It might, as you both seem to espouse, be just as bad.
But on day one, can we at least give it a chance? |
It is what it is....we can assess it in 5 years time. | |
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| if our resident anarchist(s) had had their way on 09:42 - Jul 5 with 1889 views | Whos_blue |
| if our resident anarchist(s) had had their way on 09:37 - Jul 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
It is what it is....we can assess it in 5 years time. |
I think we'll all be scrutinising and passing judgement on this new government long before that.
We've done our bit. We've swept away the tories.
It's now a case of "Over to you. We're watching".
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And for what it's worth, I'm looking forward to engaging with my new LD MP. It's the first time in over 20 years I haven't had a tory MP. I'm genuinely enthused by that. [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 9:45]
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| if banksy had had his way on 09:50 - Jul 5 with 1870 views | Roggydem |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:52 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
Utopia? I guess you are being facetious there.
Progress is what I ask, given the mess they have to clear up even that will be a long hard slog. But at least this is a step in the right direction. |
Genuine question - what do you consider progress? | | | |
| if banksy had had his way on 10:16 - Jul 5 with 1828 views | Ryorry |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:19 - Jul 5 by positivity |
the negativity was all in your potential consequences, real life has turned out more positive than we could have hoped for, labour up, libs up, greens up, happy days! |
You forgot Town up! |  |
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| if banksy had had his way on 10:18 - Jul 5 with 1817 views | positivity |
| if banksy had had his way on 10:16 - Jul 5 by Ryorry |
You forgot Town up! |
it's been an exceptional spring/summer!
not too late for england's men's team to do something in the euros to put the cherry on the icing... | |
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| if banksy had had his way on 10:19 - Jul 5 with 1811 views | Ryorry |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:30 - Jul 5 by Coastalblue |
We have a two party system, the red team and the blue team. The red team may be a bit better than the blue team currently, but if you don't particularly like either team then you are entirely discounted.
FWIW I think the old boss was the most despicable PM in my lifetime, but honestly, I'm not very inspired by the new one either. |
Worse than Johnson and Truss? | |
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| if banksy had had his way on 10:30 - Jul 5 with 1787 views | Ryorry |
| if banksy had had his way on 10:18 - Jul 5 by positivity |
it's been an exceptional spring/summer!
not too late for england's men's team to do something in the euros to put the cherry on the icing... |
Life this morning is indeed a bowl of cherries compared with yesterday, so I had some for breakfast!
Feels a bit like 1997 - massive relief and happiness at a ten ton weight being lifted off after 18 and 14 years of oppressive tory misrule. | |
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| if banksy had had his way on 10:40 - Jul 5 with 1767 views | Coastalblue |
| if banksy had had his way on 10:19 - Jul 5 by Ryorry |
Worse than Johnson and Truss? |
For me yes though appreciate others may see it differently.
I think Liz was just totally out of her depth and didn't really know what was going on, probably having her strings pulled.
Boris I think has a little bit of humanity in him, though I'll admit he buries it a long way down and is probably very selective about where he points it.
Rishi? I personally think he's the pinnacle of the modern politician, cares not one jot about the electorate, is only interested in self gain and actually is generally smart enough to be able to do a decent job if he viewed it and the wider population in a different way.
Unfortunately the two main parties appear to be full of people like that now, mostly to a lesser extent admittedly and think those who may genuinely want to serve the people even within the Labour party are very few and far between. |  |
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| if banksy had had his way on 10:52 - Jul 5 with 1745 views | positivity |
| if banksy had had his way on 10:40 - Jul 5 by Coastalblue |
For me yes though appreciate others may see it differently.
I think Liz was just totally out of her depth and didn't really know what was going on, probably having her strings pulled.
Boris I think has a little bit of humanity in him, though I'll admit he buries it a long way down and is probably very selective about where he points it.
Rishi? I personally think he's the pinnacle of the modern politician, cares not one jot about the electorate, is only interested in self gain and actually is generally smart enough to be able to do a decent job if he viewed it and the wider population in a different way.
Unfortunately the two main parties appear to be full of people like that now, mostly to a lesser extent admittedly and think those who may genuinely want to serve the people even within the Labour party are very few and far between. |
the tories have been utterly incompetent and self-serving, starmer has at least successfully run a public organisation, and has surrounded himself with people with long records of competent public service (like sue gray).
if he's true to his word and immediately acts on ministerial misbehaviour (instead of "throwing an iron ring around the prittster" as a boris example), then trust will begin to be restored there too | |
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| if banksy had had his way on 10:54 - Jul 5 with 1739 views | GeoffSentence |
| if banksy had had his way on 09:50 - Jul 5 by Roggydem |
Genuine question - what do you consider progress? |
Recognisable improvement in education and healthcare (outcomes and provision), measurable reduction in poverty levels, some reform of employment law for starters.
If any progress on political reform was made and rolling back of Tory anti-protest laws was made, that would be great too. | |
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| if banksy had had his way on 11:04 - Jul 5 with 1705 views | positivity |
| if banksy had had his way on 10:54 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
Recognisable improvement in education and healthcare (outcomes and provision), measurable reduction in poverty levels, some reform of employment law for starters.
If any progress on political reform was made and rolling back of Tory anti-protest laws was made, that would be great too. |
for me, action on environmental issues too (local re: sewage and international re: reinstating our climate agreement commitments) | |
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| if banksy had had his way on 11:53 - Jul 5 with 1652 views | Roggydem |
| if banksy had had his way on 10:54 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
Recognisable improvement in education and healthcare (outcomes and provision), measurable reduction in poverty levels, some reform of employment law for starters.
If any progress on political reform was made and rolling back of Tory anti-protest laws was made, that would be great too. |
Yeah all fair, as long as this is done in a way that doesn't just result in the middle class fronting all the bill as seems to often be the case with many governments (one just gone included). Thriving middle class is sign of a true 1st world country.
Think current labour plans re private school tax could be short sighted and counter productive though. I don't have any kids at 32 yet, but I can see it stopping those middle class parents that sacrifice alot to get their kids in private schools from affording it now, meaning more kids back in crowded public schools. Whereas 20% increase in cost is a drop in the ocean for the Eton type, making private schools even more a place for the elite only.
I dont really share the political views of a alot of people on here, being more to the right, but I do agree with the right to protest as a fundamental part of democracy (even if alot of them get on my t*ts! Haha) [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 11:56]
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| if banksy had had his way on 12:16 - Jul 5 with 1614 views | bluebudgie |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:19 - Jul 5 by positivity |
the negativity was all in your potential consequences, real life has turned out more positive than we could have hoped for, labour up, libs up, greens up, happy days! |
And let's not forget reform up , indeed happy days! |  | | |
| if banksy had had his way on 12:19 - Jul 5 with 1596 views | ronnyd |
| if banksy had had his way on 08:20 - Jul 5 by Coastalblue |
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss |
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| if banksy had had his way on 12:26 - Jul 5 with 1570 views | Buhrer |
| if banksy had had his way on 10:18 - Jul 5 by positivity |
it's been an exceptional spring/summer!
not too late for england's men's team to do something in the euros to put the cherry on the icing... |
I'm sure Kier will fly the English flag then, but hasn't when entering no.10... |  | | |
| if banksy had had his way on 12:28 - Jul 5 with 1554 views | positivity |
| if banksy had had his way on 12:26 - Jul 5 by Buhrer |
I'm sure Kier will fly the English flag then, but hasn't when entering no.10... |
and i was expecting him to arrive in a three-piece st george's flag suit. starmer out! | |
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